Splinter's line in the first movie, "All fathers care for their sons" - problematic?

[CyberCubed]

Obviously Splinter was talking about himself here, but we know in the real world, that line is not true. Some fathers never even meet their sons/kids, they impregnate some woman and then go off and never take responsibility or are absent fathers. Other fathers beat or abuse their sons. Or other fathers are just deadbeat dads who even if they stay with their sons barely do anything to take care of them.

Do you find that line problematic in today's day and age? Instead Splinter should say, "All fathers *should* care for their sons."

[snake]

Have you been drinking?

[FredWolfLeonardo]

You're way overthinking this.

[Candy Kappa]

Cubed, you getting woke?

No, it's not a problematic line.

[Prowler]

Originally Posted by snake

Have you been drinking?

Originally Posted by FredWolfLeonardo

You're way overthinking this.

It's a sign good ol' Cubed is back. Let's enjoy it while it lasts.

[snake]

I got to admit, I kind of missed it.

I love you Cubed.

[Autbot_Benz]

SJWcubed ?

[Wesley]

I don’t have a problem with Splinter’s line, but I can see why some people might.

[MikeandRaph87]

I read this at lunch during a streasful workday. Thanks for bringing Cubism back.


What a nitpick. All SHOULD, but don't. Never would have tbought about it.

[Leo656]

Well, please consider that if anyone has been abused by their parent(s), it's a little bit more than just a nitpick.

I know plenty of people who wish their fathers were dead and they're rather justified in feeling that way. So yeah, whenever they watch that movie, that scene either gets an eye-roll or a massive disgusted groan.

Just sayin'. Whether it annoys a person or not most likely depends on how they themselves were treated by their parental figure.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Deja vu

[sdp]

Clearly TMNT 1990 is a problematic movie in today's world, sure those things were acceptable back then but it was wrong then and it is wrong now. Best we can hope is that the movie is discontinued or at the very least that scene cut out from all future releases.

[Rooish]

Originally Posted by sdp

Clearly TMNT 1990 is a problematic movie in today's world, sure those things were acceptable back then but it was wrong then and it is wrong now. Best we can hope is that the movie is discontinued or at the very least that scene cut out from all future releases.

Can't tell if you're sarcastic? I don't think it needs to be cut. Then, like now, I'm sure kids with ****** parents would just think "that's not my experience" and be a bit sad and then move on.

[Rooish]

Originally Posted by sdp

Clearly TMNT 1990 is a problematic movie in today's world, sure those things were acceptable back then but it was wrong then and it is wrong now. Best we can hope is that the movie is discontinued or at the very least that scene cut out from all future releases.

Can't tell if you're sarcastic? I don't think it needs to be cut. Then, like now, I'm sure kids with ****** parents would just think "that's not my experience" and be a bit sad and then either forget it or figure out how to move out as soon as possible.

[bwwd]

It is quite impossible to talk about these things without drama, everyone has their own.Everyones way of thinking about these things is their own opinion, my father drank a lot but now when i look at it, it wasnt as bad for me, i didnt get beat up , when youre older some drama from the past becomes almost irrelevant.A lot of people strive for drama cause it makes their life interesting.They just love pulling victim card.I can do that too but how about no.Move on.

[Purse Grabbin Puke]

Originally Posted by Leo656

Well, please consider that if anyone has been abused by their parent(s), it's a little bit more than just a nitpick.

I know plenty of people who wish their fathers were dead and they're rather justified in feeling that way. So yeah, whenever they watch that movie, that scene either gets an eye-roll or a massive disgusted groan.

Just sayin'. Whether it annoys a person or not most likely depends on how they themselves were treated by their parental figure.

My alcoholic/abusive father actually took me to this movie in 1990. Ironically it's the only thing he ever really did for me. He missed 98% of my baseball and football games, he never cared about anything I liked, and always tried to get me into the things he liked. So thinking back, the fact he took me to this movie is kind of mind boggling. But I remember when this line was spoken in the movie. I was 8. I laughed. I rolled my eyes. I remember the feeling like it happened a second ago. I honestly, truly believed that my father did not care for me. When Splinter said that line, my dad immediately burst into tears, and nudged me like "See?! I love you". I didn't believe him.

I spent the next 12 years believing my original thought. My father does not love me. He left for good when I was 20, and I never saw him again. He died a few years ago. I celebrated.

After he left my mom remarried. That man has been a father to me. He proudly calls me his son. That guy in my life, the one who took me to the movie. He wasn't my father. He had no ability or desire to be a father. He was a guy playing father.

So because I watch this movie so much, that line has gone from something that was a joke to me, to having it's true meaning. All Fathers, care for their sons. Because that's the definition of a father. The ones who leave, who abuse, who neglect, they're not fathers.

This line is not problematic.

[bwwd]

That line is just splinters own personal opinion like everything we say is our own and not someone elses, defined by their own relations with people and world around them.
I feel for some of You guys but You also cant be so naive, a lot of women prevent their kids to have normal contacts with fathers and justice system is so rigged that father has almost no chance against woman who accuses him of usual drinking, violence etc. even if there was no proof of that, only thing that matters for a lot of mothers is alimony and revenge through kids, just look around.I witnessed it and witness it day by day, women demand more money and threating fathers to never see kids again etc. What kind of human being does this, he has money or not he's still the father.
Many fathers cut contact cause they dont want to be on this kind of terms raising their kids which are used as weapon against them.
Its super easy to blame one person but life is not like this, every father had reasons which are not just "i dont care about the kid"
My friend didnt even wanted to talk with father and ask him what was his reason they split etc. Because of money or hurt feelings, but what about his father's feelings, he obviously had it hard if he made this kind of decision, i doubt that he was super happy about it.In the end eveyrone preferes peace and order, complete family.At least thats what circle of life is about, if you dont want to play that game just do vasectomy and i dont blame any man for doing this, justice system is totally against men when it comes to custody of kids especially now with #metoo movement every argument between man and woman is violence against her and unless you have proof youre in trouble if you get yourself into argument with woman who loves to victimize herself and a lot of women do like that, because it pays off $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ and theres no penalty for lying in court in this kind of cases cause its about the custody not abuse but still they believe her and wont check the facts.
I totally understand fathers who wouldnt putup with vengeful woman using their child as weapon.They have no will and help to fight this kind of abuse , especially with all the women in courts as judges helping each other get kids and point fingers at bad fathers.
This sounds like a joke but its reality of court system when it comes to having normal relations with kids if youre man or woman, women win in 90% of cases even if fathers have no history of proven abuse.I wish they would teach young boys about this at school.

[Rooish]

Originally Posted by bwwd

That line is just splinters own personal opinion like everything we say is our own and not someone elses, defined by their own relations with people and world around them.
I feel for some of You guys but You also cant be so naive, a lot of women prevent their kids to have normal contacts with fathers and justice system is so rigged that father has almost no chance against woman who accuses him of usual drinking, violence etc. even if there was no proof of that, only thing that matters for a lot of mothers is alimony and revenge through kids, just look around.I witnessed it and witness it day by day, women demand more money and threating fathers to never see kids again etc. What kind of human being does this, he has money or not he's still the father.
Many fathers cut contact cause they dont want to be on this kind of terms raising their kids which are used as weapon against them.
Its super easy to blame one person but life is not like this, every father had reasons which are not just "i dont care about the kid"
My friend didnt even wanted to talk with father and ask him what was his reason they split etc. Because of money or hurt feelings, but what about his father's feelings, he obviously had it hard if he made this kind of decision, i doubt that he was super happy about it.In the end eveyrone preferes peace and order, complete family.At least thats what circle of life is about, if you dont want to play that game just do vasectomy and i dont blame any man for doing this, justice system is totally against men when it comes to custody of kids especially now with #metoo movement every argument between man and woman is violence against her and unless you have proof youre in trouble if you get yourself into argument with woman who loves to victimize herself and a lot of women do like that, because it pays off $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ and theres no penalty for lying in court in this kind of cases cause its about the custody not abuse but still they believe her and wont check the facts.
I totally understand fathers who wouldnt putup with vengeful woman using their child as weapon.They have no will and help to fight this kind of abuse , especially with all the women in courts as judges helping each other get kids and point fingers at bad fathers.
This sounds like a joke but its reality of court system when it comes to having normal relations with kids if youre man or woman, women win in 90% of cases even if fathers have no history of proven abuse.I wish they would teach young boys about this at school.

Woah man, lie down before you hurt yourself...

Are you saying abusive and neglectful fathers don't exist?

Anyway, whenever I heard this line I would wince a bit in empathy for kids who watched it who didn't have caring fathers, but I guess they would understand that all fathers SHOULD care for their sons. Or children in general. Whatever.

[Voltron]

No, it's not problematic. It makes perfect sense. It mirrors the earlier line from Shredder that the Foot Clan is a family, meaning Shredder would be the father. He fills a void in the lives of these kids lives. He offers easy answers as opposed to the hard lessons offered by the Splinter and Charles Pennington.

Splinter contradicts this, saying that while you may not be biologically related, your father is someone who cares for you. If the man doesn't care for you, regardless of blood relations, then he hasn't earned that title. He isn't really your father.

In Guardians of the Galaxy 2, Yondu has a similar line with "He may have been your father, boy. But he wasn't your daddy."

It's one of the layers that makes the movie so good. The parallels between the good guys and the bad guys, and how each one deals with the same problems.

Dammit. Now I want to write an article about family dynamics and the Ninja Turtles.

[Utrommaniac]

I had been thinking about that myself.


Which eventually made me realize that there's mostly father-son dynamics a vast majority of the time. With the exception of Karai in the center of a father-daughter dynamic (between two different Shredders and Yoshi). But not really any maternal connections. April sometimes, maybe, but usually a "big sister" role.

Other times, mothers are fridged for character backstory or are just completely absent.


(God, that Yondu line hits hard every time)