Gotham

~~Davetello~~ · 09-10-2014, 08:12 AM

I couldn't find a thread for this show. Apologies it there is a topic - perhaps the topics can be merged by a moderator.

So I'm actually quite excited about this. Seeing the origins of young Bruce, Jim Gordon and all of the super-villains etc seems pretty intriguing. A lot of people seem to enjoy Arrow and Fox is a more reputable station than the CW (I think?), so this seems promising. I think 16 episodes for the first season is a nice number too - just a little over the typical cable number, but not too many that it might become composed of endless filler (e.g. 22 eps).

I will certainly be watching. It might be a disaster but it could also turn out very good - I watched the preview show and it seemed pretty appealing. What do you all think of it?

pharaohyami5000 · 09-10-2014, 09:19 AM

http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/sho...ghlight=gotham

Yeah, the search has found this recent topic from the list. So... use that topic or is it okay to continue discussion here? Some message boards have this hatred of revived topics, so not sure if this board is one of them.

For my thoughts, I'm ready to give this a spin. I like to see the prequel of... the Batman universe. Was going to say DC universe, but I don't know. 1 week and 2 days to go. Let's do it!

~~Davetello~~ · 09-10-2014, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by pharaohyami5000

http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/sho...ghlight=gotham

Yeah, the search has found this recent topic from the list. So... use that topic or is it okay to continue discussion here? Some message boards have this hatred of revived topics, so not sure if this board is one of them.

For my thoughts, I'm ready to give this a spin. I like to see the prequel of... the Batman universe. Was going to say DC universe, but I don't know. 1 week and 2 days to go. Let's do it!

Thanks for looking man. Yes, perhaps we should discuss there. My own personal view is that bumped topics are fine, and they don't seem to be frowned upon here.

Yeah, looks like it will primarily stay with the Batman universe, which I am happy with tbh. If they were to start introducing the JL etc, it would probably become overwhelming as a production. They should keep it relatively simple.

I can't wait for the first episode either. I wish it was on Netflix and was due to be released all at once (I realise the show has signed a deal with Netflix to show each season after it completes airing).

*Leo656* · 09-10-2014, 09:34 AM

I'm intrigued but wary. Super-hero-based TV shows are hit-or-miss (although in theory they should be easy). It could easily get corny but at the same time they have a strong cast of characters to play with. It's a weird balancing act; you can show off and play with some of the history of the familiar characters, but at the same time, we know they're not going to fully "become" the characters we know for another decade-plus in storyline, so you have to be careful how you present it. I hated how in Smallville, Clark had already defeated and/or killed off half of his entire rogues gallery before he even put on the costume or finished high school, for example.

Deep down, I'd much prefer a straight-up Batman show, but they'll never do that as long as they make so much money on the movies, so a prequel or a cartoon is as good as we'll get. I'unno, should be good. I'm a little more looking forward to Flash, because again, I prefer more of just a straight super-hero show.

~~Davetello~~ · 09-10-2014, 09:44 AM

I know what you mean, but the origin/prequel aspect of it really does appeal to me. Without Batman, these characters might get even more chance to stand in the spotlight. Although I'm aware that a large part of what makes these characters what they are is their relationship to Batman, so perhaps that is a paradoxical way of thinking.

You're right that it is quite strange that superhero TV shows are often of average quality. With so much source material, so few time constraints and a good budget you'd think talented writers, producers etc would be able to make something great. Maybe the cream of the crop just isn't interested in the superhero genre, as far as television is concerned.

I never watched Smallville - I've heard contrasting opinions of it. I'd like to watch the show for myself but 200 odd 40 min episodes is way too much of a commitment. I think the only show I'm willing to commit to at that many eps in the future is The X-Files.

pharaohyami5000 · 09-10-2014, 10:17 AM

Well, Lois and Clark: the Adventures of Superman I remember liking that. Though I have not seen them completely, so that will be something on my long to-(re)watch list. Hopefully Gotham will be on the same level as that. Haven't seen Smallville, Birds of Prey seem unappealing from other people and still wondering whether or not to begin on Agents of SHIELD or Arrow.

I currently completed Breaking Bad (what a marvelous series) and other than waiting for Better Call Saul, and Gotham (might as well), I don't know which live series to begin.

Gorilla Grodd · 09-11-2014, 04:50 PM

Like with any comic related show I'm cautiously optimistic and hope that it turns out well. Although there is a part of me that wishes it wasn't a thing just because the last thing I need is another TV show to keep up to date on. First world problems.

*AT-Man* · 09-11-2014, 05:01 PM

I'll check it out, but I don't think it will be nearly as good as Agents of SHIELD.

*Leo656* · 09-11-2014, 09:11 PM

People keep mentioning "Birds of Prey", I swear I completely missed that show when it was fresh, I didn't know it even existed. I have it on DVD, s'alright. I only watched through the series once but I didn't hate it. It's weird, the show didn't really "work" but it just as easily could have been huge if it had come out, like, ten years earlier and been exactly the same. I was crushing hard on the chick who played Babs in that. I think they did one episode where she was Batgirl again, that was kinda neat.

These "Batman Show Without Batman" projects are always a gamble, but Batman's mythology has so many strong characters that it's one of the few franchises you can try that with. I mean, Batman's frequently absent from his own books for months at a time and interesting stuff still happens constantly. That could easily translate to TV if they handle it right. I'm interested; I just gotta remember to watch it since I never catch shows when they're on.

*chrisdude* · 09-12-2014, 01:49 PM

I'll give it a shot, along with a bunch of other shows starting this fall. It could be interesting, but it certainly doesn't look like any fun. It looks to real-world for Gotham's colorful characters. But we'll see.

It shouldn't be as bad as Smallville, in terms of outliving its premise, because they're starting with such a young Bruce.

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I'll check it out, but I don't think it will be nearly as good as Agents of SHIELD.

I'm glad I'm not the only person here who like it. I think SHIELD is more interesting to watch than the superheroes...

*AT-Man* · 09-13-2014, 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by chrisdude

I'm glad I'm not the only person here who like it. I think SHIELD is more interesting to watch than the superheroes...

I'm certain that anyone who doesn't like the show, hasn't watched all of the first season.

*chrisdude* · 09-13-2014, 05:33 AM

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Originally Posted by AT-Man

I'm certain that anyone who doesn't like the show, hasn't watched all of the first season.

Yeah. They take their time to build the characters, like they would in a movie series. I think it really pays off, I love the way they weave in each of the movies once they get going. The show really needs to be viewed on time. But there is a group of people who will never be satisfied, because they want to see superhero battles every week, and they're asking where Iron Man is, and things like that.

*Cure* · 09-23-2014, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by AT-Man

I'm certain that anyone who doesn't like the show, hasn't watched all of the first season.

Let's not make assumptions. I saw the whole season, right up to where Coulson is scribbling sh*t on the wall. I think it sucks enough for me to not watch the second season and not feel bad about it.

*chrisdude* · 09-23-2014, 04:02 AM

I was thoroughly impressed. They've really put together a consuming Gotham. There are plenty of pieces in play. I never felt like it was missing Batman. I'm not familiar with Fish Mooney, as a character, but I sure loved her in this.

*TheSkeletonMan939* · 09-23-2014, 04:27 AM

It was okay. The show has two issues, I think:

- There's no Batman. Yes, I know this is a ludicrous thing to say, but every time there was trouble I couldn't help but think, "Is this when Batman comes? Oh wait, he's just a kid." I just really doubt the idea of having a Batman show without Batman can survive more than a season unless something drastic happens to improve the premise of the show.

- They weren't subtle about their supervillains. I felt like they were playing all their cards at once. Riddler showed up and was of course using all his lines to say riddles. Penguin had his trademark umbrella, which could have been a sign of subtle foreshadowing, but then everyone called him "Penguin". I did like how Joker (was it him?) was introduced, though.

I'll continue to watch the show, but I can't say that I expect great things from it.

*Slade* · 09-23-2014, 05:35 AM

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Originally Posted by chrisdude

I was thoroughly impressed. They've really put together a consuming Gotham. There are plenty of pieces in play. I never felt like it was missing Batman. I'm not familiar with Fish Mooney, as a character, but I sure loved her in this.

Pretty sure she's an original character.

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Originally Posted by TheSkeletonMan939

It was okay. The show has two issues, I think:

- There's no Batman. Yes, I know this is a ludicrous thing to say, but every time there was trouble I couldn't help but think, "Is this when Batman comes? Oh wait, he's just a kid." I just really doubt the idea of having a Batman show without Batman can survive more than a season unless something drastic happens to improve the premise of the show.

- They weren't subtle about their supervillains. I felt like they were playing all their cards at once. Riddler showed up and was of course using all his lines to say riddles. Penguin had his trademark umbrella, which could have been a sign of subtle foreshadowing, but then everyone called him "Penguin". I did like how Joker (was it him?) was introduced, though.

I'll continue to watch the show, but I can't say that I expect great things from it.

I read the show will do a nod to Joker every week with a different person.

*BubblyShell22* · 09-23-2014, 07:24 AM

Saw the premiere and really enjoyed it. I love the characters and how they show some of their origins. Loved seeing Catwoman on the roof, and I also liked seeing a young Poison Ivy. Can't believe what happened to her dad though. All in all, a pretty satisfying premiere, and I'm definitely going to watch more of it.

DarkLightDragon · 09-23-2014, 08:39 AM

Spoiler:

*chrisdude* · 09-23-2014, 08:27 PM

I felt like it made a good case for Gotham, as a focus for a series. I think they introduced some interesting characters, and I think Gordon's differences with the GPD status quo and the gang war that seems to be brewing could offer plenty of drama. But many of us here are still bummed that there's no Batman, and I think the worst thing they could do is sacrifice a what they've got going and focusing on Bruce. But I could be wrong. I'm really curious to see how this show does in the ratings over the next couple weeks.

*BubblyShell22* · 09-24-2014, 08:28 AM

Yes, but this was established long before that this was a prequel and that there would be no Batman. I don't care as I want to see how the cops deal with things on their own and how Bruce evolves to become the Dark Knight everyone loves. It shows promise, so I'm definitely going to keep staying tuned. I like how Harvey Bullock isn't really a good cop and is friends with Fish Moony of all people. It just adds to the drama of the whole thing and the conflict Jim has and will continue to have about good and evil.

09-10-2014, 08:12 AM	#1
~~Davetello~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Greater Glasgow, Scotland, The Ununited Kingdom Posts: 1,712	Gotham I couldn't find a thread for this show. Apologies it there is a topic - perhaps the topics can be merged by a moderator. So I'm actually quite excited about this. Seeing the origins of young Bruce, Jim Gordon and all of the super-villains etc seems pretty intriguing. A lot of people seem to enjoy Arrow and Fox is a more reputable station than the CW (I think?), so this seems promising. I think 16 episodes for the first season is a nice number too - just a little over the typical cable number, but not too many that it might become composed of endless filler (e.g. 22 eps). I will certainly be watching. It might be a disaster but it could also turn out very good - I watched the preview show and it seemed pretty appealing. What do you all think of it?

09-10-2014, 09:34 AM	#4
Leo656 The Franchise Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,696	I'm intrigued but wary. Super-hero-based TV shows are hit-or-miss (although in theory they should be easy). It could easily get corny but at the same time they have a strong cast of characters to play with. It's a weird balancing act; you can show off and play with some of the history of the familiar characters, but at the same time, we know they're not going to fully "become" the characters we know for another decade-plus in storyline, so you have to be careful how you present it. I hated how in Smallville, Clark had already defeated and/or killed off half of his entire rogues gallery before he even put on the costume or finished high school, for example. Deep down, I'd much prefer a straight-up Batman show, but they'll never do that as long as they make so much money on the movies, so a prequel or a cartoon is as good as we'll get. I'unno, should be good. I'm a little more looking forward to Flash, because again, I prefer more of just a straight super-hero show. __________________ "I left some words quite far from here to be a short reminder... I laid them out in stone, in case they need to last forever..." "But hey... I'm not telling you anything that you don't already know." nWo Tech: The Official Thread Poison of the Technodrome Forums https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxr...awnHgDz1ceDcfA https://theroxxshow.blogspot.com/

09-10-2014, 10:17 AM	#6
pharaohyami5000 Thug Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 83	Well, Lois and Clark: the Adventures of Superman I remember liking that. Though I have not seen them completely, so that will be something on my long to-(re)watch list. Hopefully Gotham will be on the same level as that. Haven't seen Smallville, Birds of Prey seem unappealing from other people and still wondering whether or not to begin on Agents of SHIELD or Arrow. I currently completed Breaking Bad (what a marvelous series) and other than waiting for Better Call Saul, and Gotham (might as well), I don't know which live series to begin. Last edited by pharaohyami5000; 09-10-2014 at 11:05 AM.

09-11-2014, 04:50 PM	#7
Gorilla Grodd Thug Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Gorilla City Posts: 65	Like with any comic related show I'm cautiously optimistic and hope that it turns out well. Although there is a part of me that wishes it wasn't a thing just because the last thing I need is another TV show to keep up to date on. First world problems. __________________

09-11-2014, 05:01 PM	#8
AT-Man I SEEN IT Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: FIN Posts: 2,206	I'll check it out, but I don't think it will be nearly as good as Agents of SHIELD. __________________ Through the Golden Door

09-10-2014, 09:19 AM	#2
pharaohyami5000 Thug Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 83	http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/sho...ghlight=gotham Yeah, the search has found this recent topic from the list. So... use that topic or is it okay to continue discussion here? Some message boards have this hatred of revived topics, so not sure if this board is one of them. For my thoughts, I'm ready to give this a spin. I like to see the prequel of... the Batman universe. Was going to say DC universe, but I don't know. 1 week and 2 days to go. Let's do it!

09-10-2014, 09:44 AM	#5
~~Davetello~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Greater Glasgow, Scotland, The Ununited Kingdom Posts: 1,712	I know what you mean, but the origin/prequel aspect of it really does appeal to me. Without Batman, these characters might get even more chance to stand in the spotlight. Although I'm aware that a large part of what makes these characters what they are is their relationship to Batman, so perhaps that is a paradoxical way of thinking. You're right that it is quite strange that superhero TV shows are often of average quality. With so much source material, so few time constraints and a good budget you'd think talented writers, producers etc would be able to make something great. Maybe the cream of the crop just isn't interested in the superhero genre, as far as television is concerned. I never watched Smallville - I've heard contrasting opinions of it. I'd like to watch the show for myself but 200 odd 40 min episodes is way too much of a commitment. I think the only show I'm willing to commit to at that many eps in the future is The X-Files.

09-11-2014, 09:11 PM	#9
Leo656 The Franchise Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,696	People keep mentioning "Birds of Prey", I swear I completely missed that show when it was fresh, I didn't know it even existed. I have it on DVD, s'alright. I only watched through the series once but I didn't hate it. It's weird, the show didn't really "work" but it just as easily could have been huge if it had come out, like, ten years earlier and been exactly the same. I was crushing hard on the chick who played Babs in that. I think they did one episode where she was Batgirl again, that was kinda neat. These "Batman Show Without Batman" projects are always a gamble, but Batman's mythology has so many strong characters that it's one of the few franchises you can try that with. I mean, Batman's frequently absent from his own books for months at a time and interesting stuff still happens constantly. That could easily translate to TV if they handle it right. I'm interested; I just gotta remember to watch it since I never catch shows when they're on. __________________ "I left some words quite far from here to be a short reminder... I laid them out in stone, in case they need to last forever..." "But hey... I'm not telling you anything that you don't already know." nWo Tech: The Official Thread Poison of the Technodrome Forums https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxr...awnHgDz1ceDcfA https://theroxxshow.blogspot.com/

09-23-2014, 04:02 AM	#14
chrisdude Foot Elite Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: North Carolina Posts: 2,708	I was thoroughly impressed. They've really put together a consuming Gotham. There are plenty of pieces in play. I never felt like it was missing Batman. I'm not familiar with Fish Mooney, as a character, but I sure loved her in this.

09-23-2014, 07:24 AM	#17
BubblyShell22 Leo-holic Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Indiana Posts: 16,912	Saw the premiere and really enjoyed it. I love the characters and how they show some of their origins. Loved seeing Catwoman on the roof, and I also liked seeing a young Poison Ivy. Can't believe what happened to her dad though. All in all, a pretty satisfying premiere, and I'm definitely going to watch more of it. __________________ "A warrior who never fails, never learns."-The Ancient One. "Embrace your inner a**holiness."-Mr. Anderson.

09-23-2014, 08:39 AM	#18
DarkLightDragon Mad Scientist Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,026	Spoiler: -Well Penguin's already gone off the deep end quicker than I thought he'd be. No doubt he's going back to Gotham against Gordon's advice to get revenge on Fish and possibly him. -I did like that Selena was there at the funeral. That glance she made seemed to be a non-verbal way of empathizing with Bruce in having to grow up without both your parents. -I guess growing up in an abusive household would make Ivy more inclined to prefer plants over people. -The comedian entertaining Fish made me think, "Oh wait....could that be a Killing Joke reference since that's the most possible origin for Joker was that he was a comedian (or at least a failed one)? -So Gordon's girlfriend is named 'Barbra?' Wonder if that'll be important later when/if he has a daughter. Or it might be an Easter Egg.

09-23-2014, 08:27 PM	#19
chrisdude Foot Elite Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: North Carolina Posts: 2,708	I felt like it made a good case for Gotham, as a focus for a series. I think they introduced some interesting characters, and I think Gordon's differences with the GPD status quo and the gang war that seems to be brewing could offer plenty of drama. But many of us here are still bummed that there's no Batman, and I think the worst thing they could do is sacrifice a what they've got going and focusing on Bruce. But I could be wrong. I'm really curious to see how this show does in the ratings over the next couple weeks.

09-24-2014, 08:28 AM	#20
BubblyShell22 Leo-holic Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Indiana Posts: 16,912	Yes, but this was established long before that this was a prequel and that there would be no Batman. I don't care as I want to see how the cops deal with things on their own and how Bruce evolves to become the Dark Knight everyone loves. It shows promise, so I'm definitely going to keep staying tuned. I like how Harvey Bullock isn't really a good cop and is friends with Fish Moony of all people. It just adds to the drama of the whole thing and the conflict Jim has and will continue to have about good and evil. __________________ "A warrior who never fails, never learns."-The Ancient One. "Embrace your inner a**holiness."-Mr. Anderson.