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Old 02-25-2018, 06:40 PM   #61
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Hence why I said it STARTED with season three. By four we were into full-on comedy mode. But it started earlier, with episodes like the ones mentioned above. Keep up, man!

And yeah, the last three seasons were changed to compete more with shows like X-Men, Spider-Man, Gargoyles, and the like.
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Old 02-25-2018, 06:45 PM   #62
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Many of those 90s cartoons are incredibly dark in theme, you just don't notice it because the rest of the episode plot or characters are written in such a way that it's just cheesy or take away from the grim situation many of the characters are in. Seriously if not because of the dialog many shows have some pretty dark settings.
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Old 02-25-2018, 06:47 PM   #63
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All 90's cartoons had to work around the censors. It's amazing we did get shows like B:TAS and Gargoyles in a time when cartoons were considered "just for kids" and the censors were especially hard back then.

It's funny how much things changed as we got into the 2000's. Granted nowadays we have alot of comedy, but for a while we got some really great action cartoons all in a row from about the late 90's through 2012 or so.
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Old 02-25-2018, 07:30 PM   #64
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Censorship is such a weird thing, yes, you see how cartoons can get away with so much more than they did from the 80s to the 90s and 90s to the 00's but in other ways there's also so much stuff that cartoons just can't get away with anymore. Sometimes when I watch new stuff I think of all the things they get away with but at the same time when I re-watch stuff I think "wow, that wouldn't reach it to air anymore".
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Old 02-25-2018, 07:32 PM   #65
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I think the censorship started loosening up around that time(mid 90's), since cartoons were no longer considered as much of a "threat" to kids as the emerging mainstream pooularity of media like video games.
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Old 02-25-2018, 08:01 PM   #66
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It's kind of ironic when you see sexual innuendo in blatant kids shows. I mean I know they put that stuff in there because they know adults are watching, but why bother when it'll fly over kids heads?

Almost any female character in any cartoon I've watched winds up being sexualized at least once in the shows run. It's like all writers view their female characters as sex objects.
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Old 02-25-2018, 10:29 PM   #67
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It's kind of ironic when you see sexual innuendo in blatant kids shows. I mean I know they put that stuff in there because they know adults are watching, but why bother when it'll fly over kids heads?
You just answered your own question also I guess they think its funny to write dirty jokes in kids cartoons.

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Almost any female character in any cartoon I've watched winds up being sexualized at least once in the shows run. It's like all writers view their female characters as sex objects.
It mostly because animators are perverts also to be fair there are a lot of instances where the males are sexualized too. I personally don't mind the cheesecake
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Old 02-26-2018, 04:27 AM   #68
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It's kind of ironic when you see sexual innuendo in blatant kids shows. I mean I know they put that stuff in there because they know adults are watching, but why bother when it'll fly over kids heads?
From what I understand, the writers just like to amuse themselves.


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Almost any female character in any cartoon I've watched winds up being sexualized at least once in the shows run. It's like all writers view their female characters as sex objects.
That... Doesn't seem right. Any concrete examples outside of adult shows and anime?
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Old 02-26-2018, 06:12 AM   #69
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It's kind of ironic when you see sexual innuendo in blatant kids shows. I mean I know they put that stuff in there because they know adults are watching, but why bother when it'll fly over kids heads?
Because, it's fun to do something that they are not supposed to do?

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Almost any female character in any cartoon I've watched winds up being sexualized at least once in the shows run. It's like all writers view their female characters as sex objects.
Are a good old liberal drivel.
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but why bother when it'll fly over kids heads?
They may understand more when getting older.
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That... Doesn't seem right. Any concrete examples outside of adult shows and anime?
It happens all the time in regular action cartoons, DC or Marvel cartoons. Justice League Unlimited, Teen Titans, Avengers: EMH, etc. Even Nick's TMNT gave us April ass shots in the camera and she's only 16 in that series.
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Not everything is an "ass shot", they're just normal movements of the body, so yeah if she's crouching or whatever she'll have an "ass shot". It doesn't mean they were explicitly animating that for fapping purposes.

Yeah, you can google and find all these screen caps and videos of compilations of them but that's done by perverts who try to find the slightest thing to match their fetish and compile it. That doesn't mean anything only that a few losers have too much time to compile set images and people who are "outraged" use that as an example that "oh that show is perverted" or whatever when it's not.

It's the same strategies that religious people used to try to ban music and video games in the 90s. And yeah just because some shows do do it intentionally doesn't mean anything.
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It's still blatant enough for people to notice it. Happens in kids animes like Pokemon too, all the pokegirls are heavily sexualized in various episodes with suggestive shots, outfits, dresses, bikini's, etc. The animators even admitted they like doing that and on twitter they retweet suggestive fanart from fans.
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It happens all the time in regular action cartoons, DC or Marvel cartoons. Justice League Unlimited, Teen Titans, Avengers: EMH, etc. Even Nick's TMNT gave us April ass shots in the camera and she's only 16 in that series.
Are you talking about these moments?
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Kind of... I guess? Doesn't seem that sexualised to me.

Not sure what made you think of JLU though.
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The animators even admitted they like doing that and on twitter they retweet suggestive fanart from fans.
Did they ever retweet a Day Inside May?
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Happens to every female in Pokemon. It is an anime after all.

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Are you talking about these moments?

Kind of... I guess? Doesn't seem that sexualised to me.

Not sure what made you think of JLU though.
Yes, this and other stuff with Starfire too, there's a scene where her boobs bounce when she gets jealous of Robin going on a date with that blonde girl named Kitty on the boat.

JLU had a whole bunch of sexual innuendo with Hawkgirl especially when she was sleeping around after she broke up with John, we see Vixen wearing skimp outfits, the whole lesbian stuff with Harley and Ivy.

Bruce Timm especially is known for heavily sexualizing his characters, it's gotten even worse in his recent movies where Batgirl has sex with Batman in the rooftop in "The Killing Joke" or the Harley ass in the camera, and attempted rape scene of Nightwing.

Go scour the likes of twitter and tumblr and type in keywords and you'll see people took screencaps and posted whole rants on this stuff.
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No real adult is getting excited by these things, sure you can find freaks on the internet but I mean it's the internet you can find people who like almost anything.

Little kids don't notice, I sure didn't and didn't care, "sexualization" is very much a cultural thing that is learned and to a kid seeing a girl in a bikini was no different than seeing her in a one piece, that was definitely the case for me. I didn't notice any of the skin revealing costumes that say a Power Rangers series showed either.

Now as I grew older around 10 that's when I started to notice these things and I liked them. I wanted to see more shows like these since my body was changing and now I found certain things appealing, I remember liking anime characters around that age as well.

When I saw the original Dragon Ball as a kid uncensored I didn't find any of the early bulma stuff as something sexual, they were gags and I found it funny that Yamcha grabbed her boobs thinking they were Dragon Balls or that he accidentally saw Bulma naked. Now adults who never watched Dragon Ball look at it like "HOW DID THEY LET THIS AIR IN A KIDS CARTOON".

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No real adult is getting excited by these things, sure you can find freaks on the internet but I mean it's the internet you can find people who like almost anything.
You honestly be surprised, there is a good reason why a lot of hentai artist are getting good money for their drawings.
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He's right though, compared to the 2k3 or 2k12 series the show has very little action or continuity, and most episodes after the first season aren't very good.
That's because it was the 80s and the show was originally syndicated. Of course it was episodic, like practically everything from that time and prior. It was set up that way so that any viewer can watch an episode and not be lost. It's not like now where you can hop on Hulu and Netflix and marathon shows. Back then when you missed an ep, you MISSED it...unless you recorded it. Who knew when the episode would air again. This is a poor point to use as a negative towards the series.
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Exactly. Three also had episodes like The Gangs All Here and Michelangelos Birthday, both of which began with the more serious premise from earlier seasons, and brcame increasingly comedic as they progressed.
This was about the time CBS started airing it, right? It had to be toned down a bit since it was airing on a network station on Saturday morning, I'm assuming. That's when the show became sillier, imo.
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It happens all the time in regular action cartoons, DC or Marvel cartoons. Justice League Unlimited, Teen Titans, Avengers: EMH, etc. Even Nick's TMNT gave us April ass shots in the camera and she's only 16 in that series.
I honestly didn't notice the thing with April until YOU brought it up all that time ago.

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All 90's cartoons had to work around the censors. It's amazing we did get shows like B:TAS and Gargoyles in a time when cartoons were considered "just for kids" and the censors were especially hard back then.
Well, with Batman TAS, that was on Fox...they seemed more lax in general.
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