Season 5 Discussion Thread

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by AlZarkovski

A new book based on "monster arc" - "Monster Mayhem!"

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon....1ggjG0vRIL.jpg

Spoiler:

When a vampire and a werewolf attack New York City, it’s up to Nickelodeon’s Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles to mash the monsters.

https://www.amazon.com/Monster-Mayhe...=ninja+turtles

Thanks Al.

July 25th, huh? I bet the episodes don't even air until after that.

[AlZarkovski]

Stan Sakai: Usagi’s also crossing over into their animated series, Tales of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, in a three-part story arc.

http://ew.com/books/2017/04/01/stan-...mnt-crossover/

[Raph's Girl]

Originally Posted by AlZarkovski

Stan Sakai: Usagi’s also crossing over into their animated series, Tales of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, in a three-part story arc.

http://ew.com/books/2017/04/01/stan-...mnt-crossover/

We knew about the story arc for the toon. The new Usagi action figures for the arc were shown at Toy Fair.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by AlZarkovski

Stan Sakai: Usagi’s also crossing over into their animated series, Tales of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, in a three-part story arc.

http://ew.com/books/2017/04/01/stan-...mnt-crossover/

You know we know this has been known for months, man.

[Leofan26]

Even though this is old information still gets me pumped every time I see it

I hope he invites Leo to stay in his dimension, that'd be an intresting way to conclude the series.

[snake]

It's 3 parts tho. I assumed it was 4.

[MCLeo28]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

It's not poor writing at all, the Turtles were in no way going to find 50 mutagen caninsters scattered across NYC. It was only done to explain the new mutants popping up in Season 2 and beyond.

Obviously not, but when the readers are led to believe that the turtles are completely responsible over what happened, then it certainly does indicate that it is going to be addressed at some point. However, this did not happen and there has been no allusion to it, even when the writers actually did choose to flesh it out with Don Vizioso's sub-plot.

This is what I call bad writing. What you described only indicates that they did this as a means to milk the series and lazily create more filler arcs which I think we can agree is poor writing.

[Powder]

You not liking it doesn't make it bad.

You want bad, go watch the new movies.

[MCLeo28]

Originally Posted by Powder

You not liking it doesn't make it bad.

You want bad, go watch the new movies.

That's fine. I'm actually not berating TMNT for low-quality writing because I genuinely enjoy what they have been presenting, I just would've liked if they had looked into the mutagen mishap more closely instead of leaving it open-ended.

It's honestly one thing to introduce mutants, but it's another thing to create such a scandal that the turtles felt entirely responsible for their mistake which alone gave the implication that they were going to resolve the issue. Moreso because there was a devious group dedicating to eliminating mutants.

But any who, that's my opinion. I don't think it detracted from my experience all that much, it was just something that I believed the writers had presented as a grander issue that would be resolved.

With all that said, one thing I'm actually questioning is the stark contrast between Kavaxus's expression when he disposed of Tatsu and when he disposed of the Hammer. It makes me question if Tatsu had powered him up in some way, hence why Kavaxus smirked as opposed to the Hammer when Kavaxus was more annoyed. Kavaxus has an extreme lust for power which made me question if what Kavaxus had done to Tatsu had actually powered up Kavaxus in some sort of way. Tatsu was made out to be a special human being with a acute form of hearing after all whereas the Hammer was that generic tough guy. Perhaps I'm looking too deeply into this, but it still made me curious nonetheless.

On a side note, I did watch the new movie that came out in 2014 (I believe) and while the writing wasn't particularly good, I still found the action and humor rather entertaining. Not as strong as the cartoon, but still relatively good, at least enough for me to thoroughly enjoy myself.

[victory_angel]

Originally Posted by MCLeo28

With all that said, one thing I'm actually questioning is the stark contrast between Kavaxus's expression when he disposed of Tatsu and when he disposed of the Hammer. It makes me question if Tatsu had powered him up in some way, hence why Kavaxus smirked as opposed to the Hammer when Kavaxus was more annoyed. Kavaxus has an extreme lust for power which made me question if what Kavaxus had done to Tatsu had actually powered up Kavaxus in some sort of way. Tatsu was made out to be a special human being with a acute form of hearing after all whereas the Hammer was that generic tough guy. Perhaps I'm looking too deeply into this, but it still made me curious nonetheless.

They actually explain this in the upcoming episode, so please keep your eyes peeled.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by MCLeo28

This is what I call bad writing. What you described only indicates that they did this as a means to milk the series and lazily create more filler arcs which I think we can agree is poor writing.

What on earth are you talking about? Milk the series? Filler arcs? The show was going to last the same amount of time either way, all the one-off mutants you see showing up were always going to happen and are just fun one-shot stories.

TMNT isn't about the Turtles fighting Shredder or the Foot 24/7, it's about them going on all kinds of adventures and fighting all kinds of various mutants/aliens/monsters, etc. I don't know why you're under the bizarre assumption all the mutant stories are the result of "bad writing." That's what TMNT is about.

[MCLeo28]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

What on earth are you talking about? Milk the series? Filler arcs? The show was going to last the same amount of time either way, all the one-off mutants you see showing up were always going to happen and are just fun one-shot stories.

TMNT isn't about the Turtles fighting Shredder or the Foot 24/7, it's about them going on all kinds of adventures and fighting all kinds of various mutants/aliens/monsters, etc. I don't know why you're under the bizarre assumption all the mutant stories are the result of "bad writing." That's what TMNT is about.

Don't get it twisted, what I'm saying is lack of continuity is bad writing. We're led to believe that the mutagen mishap was a tremendous issue and would burden the turtles and this was not the case. Since it is the end of TMNT 2012, there should be a resolution to this issue or at least more frequent showings of mutants where the turtles attempts to resolve the mess that they made.

Frankly, I want to see more mutant stories because it plays into the mishap quite nicely instead of it being shrugged off.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by MCLeo28

Don't get it twisted, what I'm saying is lack of continuity is bad writing. We're led to believe that the mutagen mishap was a tremendous issue and would burden the turtles and this was not the case.

There's no lack of continuity. You keep bringing up the mutagen canisters over and over when several people in this thread explained to you already that it's irrelevant. It was done to explain where all the new mutants started popping out from during Season 2. The Turtles cannot possibly scour the entire NYC to find random canisters of mutagen around. I literally cannot understand where you get that this is a "tremendous issue" according to you. Seriously, I'm baffled this even needs to be discussed.

Frankly, I want to see more mutant stories because it plays into the mishap quite nicely instead of it being shrugged off.

Which they've literally done.

[MCLeo28]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

There's no lack of continuity. You keep bringing up the mutagen canisters over and over when several people in this thread explained to you already that it's irrelevant. It was done to explain where all the new mutants started popping out from during Season 2. The Turtles cannot possibly scour the entire NYC to find random canisters of mutagen around. I literally cannot understand where you get that this is a "tremendous issue" according to you. Seriously, I'm baffled this even needs to be discussed.

I think what you're struggling to comprehend is that I've acknowledged this while you have failed to acknowledge or at least attempt to understand the point that I am making. The outburst of mutagen was entirely their fault do to their carelessness after erroneously believing that Shredder was dead, therefore, the writers implied that the turtles would mature by fixing the mess that they started since they're devoted towards protecting their city.

I am baffled why I have to restate my point just because you're rambling about causal reasons that have no relation to what I am trying to convey.

Which they've literally done.

That originated from the city? Very doubtful.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by MCLeo28

I think what you're struggling to comprehend is that I've acknowledged this while you have failed to acknowledge or at least attempt to understand the point that I am making. The outburst of mutagen was entirely their fault do to their carelessness after erroneously believing that Shredder was dead, therefore, the writers implied that the turtles would mature by fixing the mess that they started since they're devoted towards protecting their city.

I know what you're trying to say. The Turtles "took responsibility" by trying to defeat the Kraang, they attack/interact with whatever mutants they run into, and so forth. As I said, they're not going to scour 100 miles of Manhattan for canisters that could literally be anywhere.

That originated from the city? Very doubtful.

The writers made a whole bunch of episodes as a result of that outbreak.

[MCLeo28]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

I know what you're trying to say. The Turtles "took responsibility" by trying to defeat the Kraang, they attack/interact with whatever mutants they run into, and so forth. As I said, they're not going to scour 100 miles of Manhattan for canisters that could literally be anywhere.

Defeating the Kraang is an objective disconnected with resolving the mutagen outbreak. Defeating the Kraang does not solve the mess that they made.

Obviously not, but I'm claiming that it is a problem when there hasn't been a reference to this problem for over 2 Seasons even though we're led to believe that they will tackle the issue at some point in time. Hell, there isn't any tangible evidence of the mutagen outbreak having any effect on the city which is ludicrous considering amount of mutants that would emerge from it.

The writers made a whole bunch of episodes as a result of that outbreak.

Many? Not really, no.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by MCLeo28

Obviously not, but I'm claiming that it is a problem when there hasn't been a reference to this problem for over 2 Seasons even though we're led to believe that they will tackle the issue at some point in time.

Then that's where you'll be kept waiting, because they addressed the issue. It's not a plotline as we said. It was a mutant outbreak story essentially that gave a logical explanation why mutants showed up randomly in episodes. The Turtles aren't going to go around having mental breakdowns over random canisters of ooze.

[MCLeo28]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Then that's where you'll be kept waiting, because they addressed the issue. It's not a plotline as we said. It was a mutant outbreak story essentially that gave a logical explanation why mutants showed up randomly in episodes. The Turtles aren't going to go around having mental breakdowns over random canisters of ooze.

Well, agree to disagree. I'd rather just leave it at that rather than continue derailing the thread.

[Redworld96]

End Times sneak peek http://www.nick.com/ninja-turtles/vi...tles-504-clip/
For non-American: http://redworld96.tumblr.com/post/15...redder-is-back

[shredder orokusaki]

HAHAH!!! I am a zombie now and no one can defeat me!!!