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I have to admit I'm shocked by this. I thought for sure that after the last movie flopped so hard it would be a long time before they'd chance another TMNT movie and grudgingly I thought that was for the best. Let the bad feelings about the previous movie series fade away.
I'd personally take a new TMNT movie whenever but they are letting Platinum Dunes do this again? I'm sorry but **** that ****. What is wrong with Paramount that after screwing up so badly last time they'd give the same people another shot? I don't want to be mean. It's not like Platinum Dunes set out to make bad movies I'm sure they had good intentions but they're a small production company that mainly did horror remakes. Giving them what was supposed to be a blockbuster franchise they were out of their depth. I'll even go as far as to say they gave it a good try, some of the pieces were there but I just don't think they were cut out to make the jump from low scale horror movies to tent pole comic book movies. Why would they even want to do TMNT again? It's possible they are actually going with a more grounded TMNT movie akin to their horror remakes instead of big scale action they tried with their previous turtles efforts which would not a bad direction for Ninja Turtles but frankly I doubt Paramount is going to be at all interested in that. Quote:
They did listen to feedback but I'm not sure they ever really understood it. Like they eventually relented to fan pressure and gave us a Japanese Shredder which on the one had was great but while taking one of the few prominent Asian characters in pop culture and changing him to a white guy was bad in itself it wasn't really the reason fans were pissed, it's because we wanted the Yoshi/Saki backstory - the character doesn't really work without it. In the strictest terms they gave us what we wanted they just neglected the reasons why we wanted it. Out Of The Shadows is an entire movies worth of examples of listening to feedback about the 2014 movie and learning the absolute wrong lessons from the it. Somethings are pretty understandable - a very vocal contingent has long forwarded the narrative that the Fred Wolf Show should be the primary basis and that TMNT is an inherently stupid concept so they should lean in to the stupid so I hope lesson learned on that score but I'm not sure. By their own admission they don't know what went wrong and even with the best of intentions I don't have faith they can learn. Quote:
Also I'm sorry but any reboot is going to have to do the origin again. This is where we need to consider the general audience who are aware of TMNT but don't know much about it. These people need to know who these characters are, how and why these characters do what they do. The shorthand method of characterization and motivation used in the previous Platinum Dunes movies only work if you already know these characters well and even then not all the time. Take how screwed up Shredder working for Kra(a)ng seemed in Out Of The Shadows even to fans who are aware the characters worked together in the 80s show where they had a reason to do so. Last edited by Galactus; 06-20-2018 at 07:06 PM. |
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06-20-2018, 05:59 PM | #62 |
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Yeah. If we're skipping the origin completely or covering it quickly I'd love them to go Mirage inspired. If they want a full origin movie then go with IDW, it's something that hasn't been done and gives an interesting new angle on the Shredder rivalry. For a total reboot, going with an IDW origin movie is probably best. Remember we're still likely looking at 2020 at earliest for this, so that puts us 4 years away from OOTS and 6 years way from the poor excuse for an origin they tried in 2014.
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06-20-2018, 06:08 PM | #63 |
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Nope thank you.
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If they must do TMNT then perhaps take them into what they know and do something that has been mentioned in this forum in the past... Do a TMNT horror with the Rat King. (I suppose aliens could also work.) If they want something "that hasn't been done before," but with characters they can pull from the franchise... well there you go. The Turtles in a horror could be weird enough to draw an audience. Then let another company handle the action packed comic book film series. |
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Why doesn't Paramount Pictures/ Platinum Dunes allow women (or people who aren't otherwise white men) to write/direct future TMNT films?
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06-20-2018, 07:10 PM | #66 |
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yPlease leave out feminist agenda to something else somewhere else
Anyways i think they should not continue with these turtles designs, ideally i would get guys in suits again and make it dark like first movie but even darker. Kinda very accurate to mirage but im a bit of fedup with NEW tmnt movies and cartoons( and i can watch first TMNT movie every day , its great), theres a bit too much of that stuff and too much of it is remixed to appeal to todays generation of kids, i dont know if old movies were made with "oh we need to do it this way to make kids like our film", they just went with it and did not care how hip its gonna be for 90s. On the other hand terminator 2 was coming out and it was something new and exciting but now after so many terminators... its a bit different and people are fedup a bit.Theres no element of surprise.So many incarnations and versions of the same thing, it puts people off a bit seeing different redesigns. WOW i just saw how OOTS film flopped, major fail, you would expect they learned their lesson... no they didnt.I hope 3rd one with the same design fails even more. Im super glad people did not went to see it and thats basically only thing they could do to boycott something they dont like... its like they dont see most obvious issue with these new turtles... their look.You just cant do that when entire world has set expectatiions about something/someone looking certain way.Its like making rocky by castting anybody else than stallone.They went too far off.
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I'm not in the boardrooms, so I don't know. Factual Answer: Because Affirmative Action is racism and nobody should be given a job just to fill a quota.
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And you guys realize Platinum Dunes just made Quiet Place, right? I think they're trying to turn the stigma against them on it's head. They're trying to be better. Hopefully this reboot and the Dora movie will work out well for them.
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Affirmative action isn't racist. It's about giving people who are economically disadvantaged equal opportunity as other more fortunate groups.
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I hope it's a third movie based on the 2014 reboot, it's too early for ANOTHER reboot, especially with one having the same people involved. With the 2014 universe we already have mutants and dimension hopping established, they can go full crazy with this third movie.
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Anyways, neither you nor I make the decision as to who is "qualified". They can have qualifications out the ass, if they're not hired by someone else to do the job then it ultimately doesn't make any difference. And being over a certain age, I refuse to believe that everything can be boiled down to "Straight White Male Conspiracy". Affirmative Action IS racist because it ultimately says if you only have 5 job openings, then at least 2 of them have to be filled by women or people of color because otherwise "It isn't fair", even if those people did poorly on their interview, had a spotty resume, whatever. They showed up, therefore, they "earned" a spot. By definition it creates separate sets of "rules" and standards based on gender and/or skin color. Things should never, EVER work that way. Don't misread me, son. If women or people of color are genuinely qualified they deserve to get whatever jobs they apply for in any and every industry - individually, and based on MERIT. Not collectively, "because the numbers aren't even." We've already seen undeniable progress in recent years with regards to which people are rising to positions of power within the entertainment industry, and we're seeing more of it every day. So it stands to reason there's no "conspiracy"; if more women and people of color aren't being tasked with writing or directing TMNT movies, it's either because A: They're not pushing for those jobs, or B: Someone decided that someone else was more qualified. It really can be that simple.
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Anyways, I wonder if it’s a bit of a snowball effect. If people in the past have been overlooked because they weren’t a white male (something I’m really not equipped to attest to either way), it could lead to less jobs in that field being chased by said minorities. Like I said, it’s not a call I can make, so I’m just pontificating. |
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Because Paramount is behind a conspiracy to make Women submissive housewives who will pump babies all the time.
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I'm generally all for keeping the chickens at home barefoot and pregnant - and for the love of God, off of the goddamn roads where people try and drive - but I think the world is already full of stupid people and we don't need too many more. So I'm gonna call Ixnay on them pumping out large numbers of festering hellspawn.
Maybe Paramount can pay them to sit at home and weave. Lord knows there's an all-time low in the number of people who can successfully work a loom. Maybe it's a racist, sexist conspiracy.
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Can we just get Steve Barron as director and use Matais and Dan Duncan for character design and have Tom Waltz write it with Matais also helping with the writing as well???? Get a true TMNT comic book movie.
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It's actually baffling that Paramount gave them something they wanted to be as big as Iron Man to a company like Platinum Dunes. I suspect they saw what Bay did for Transformers and while there was no amount of money that would get Bay to direct another 80s nostalgia property they thought getting a company that Bay owns part of to produce was probably the next best thing. I still think it's strange they'd go again with Platinum Dunes given how badly the last movie did and that they'd even want to. They're still a small company and had to turn down other projects to devote time to TMNT that you'd think they'd be wary of tackling it again. As mentioned elsewhere in this thread they are trying to better their image and scored a win with Quiet Place but that's a horror movie so plays in their wheel house. I'm not sure we need to go full on horror for TMNT but something more grounded and edgy wouldn't be a bad idea. Quote:
Truth is we're not the demographic that is going to make a movie a hit in 2018, that doesn't mean they should do things to alienate us and reinvent things just for the sake of it but any studio is going to think what will work for young people now. Not what would have worked in the 80s and 90s. I think that was one of the many problems with Out Of The Shadows. It was aimed at a much younger audience but based on a version of the franchise popular in the 80s. Quote:
Ryan Coogler could easily have done any solo Marvel movie whether he'd be interested is probably a different story but he totally could. WB and Marvel Studios sought them out specifically to do the first female and black led super hero pictures with the sincere belief that they'd give those movies a genuine voice which is great but it's questionable why directors like them are only sought out for very specific movies. How would a woman or poc do directing a TMNT movie? I don't know but I'm sure they couldn't do worse than Liebesman or Green. Quote:
After the failure of Out Of The Shadows would Paramount even put the kind of money to make PD TMNT 3? Then again it's still shocking they would even go with Platinum Dunes at all after last time so anything is possible but the Platinum Dunes guys already said a third sequel was not going to happen and floated a reboot so that is way more likely and make way more sense. |
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A writer from The Hollywood Reporter is wondering if this time they will be going for a different tone for this upcoming movie.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/he...-movie-1121979 |
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