Are Razhar and Tokka underused?

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

Unless you want to invent a pretend 'tribal jungle language', which involves the heavy lifting of connecting the Foot to some non-Japanese part of the world.

Or you can be a half assed weeb like cybercubed and make believe that it's a Japanese word "like Godzilla"

Tokka is a great made-up name. But it's nothing anyone would name a mutant unless they were an alien.

Actually, I take that back. Shredder might have realistically named Tokka IF Shredder thought that a herd of reindeer was intimidating. And if Oroku Saki were Finnish, Icelandic, Swedish, or Nordic.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/tokka
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sami_languages

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

Tokka is a great made-up name. But it's nothing anyone would name a mutant unless they were an alien.

Actually, I take that back. Shredder might have realistically named Tokka IF Shredder thought that a herd of reindeer was intimidating. And if Oroku Saki were Finnish, Icelandic, Swedish, or Nordic.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/tokka
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sami_languages

Well, we just traced to lineage of Eric Sacks.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

Well, we just traced to lineage of Eric Sacks.

And now I have a mental image of Eric Saxophone feeding his pet snapping turtle "Tokka" some lutefisk...

[sdp]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

How do you people even believe what you're saying with this name only stuff?

Every version of Karai after Mirage was Karai in name only. 4kids Rat King was a failed Bishop clone, is he in name only too? Fred Wolf Baxter was a wimpy white guy with blonde hair instead of a black man. Archie Slash is an alien Turtle instead of a mutant like the other versions. Sometimes Splinter IS Hamato Yoshi and sometimes his pet rat.

Do you see how ridiculous you sound? By this logic every single character used again after whatever series they debuted in is the character in name only. Every character is changed and updated with new series. So why the hell do you single out one show over everything else? Laughably saying a Rahzar with no backstory is better than one with a past. Get real.

It's the difference between deviation vs variation, you can change a character and adapt him but there's a certain point where that character becomes someone entirely different and is no longer the same.

I'm not a fan of rat king in the 2k3 show but even then it could be seen more of a variation. Of course the OT and 2k3 had plenty of deviations but the Nick show did this with pretty much every character they wanted to re-introduce for nostalgia.

[TigerClaw]

Originally Posted by sdp

It's the difference between deviation vs variation, you can change a character and adapt him but there's a certain point where that character becomes someone entirely different and is no longer the same.

I'm not a fan of rat king in the 2k3 show but even then it could be seen more of a variation. Of course the OT and 2k3 had plenty of deviations but the Nick show did this with pretty much every character they wanted to re-introduce for nostalgia.

Every character on the show that was based on the 80s series, were deviations of the originals, they felt like entirely new characters instead of old ones, It was one of my grievances about it, Tokka, Rahzar, Mona Lisa, Wingnut and Screwloose

The only character from the original that had a similar origin was Mondo Gecko, whose origin was loosely based on the archie comics.

Here's hoping the 2018 series is a new universe, and the characters they borrow are closer to there source material then what Nick universe has done.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by sdp

It's the difference between deviation vs variation, you can change a character and adapt him but there's a certain point where that character becomes someone entirely different and is no longer the same.

I'm not a fan of rat king in the 2k3 show but even then it could be seen more of a variation. Of course the OT and 2k3 had plenty of deviations but the Nick show did this with pretty much every character they wanted to re-introduce for nostalgia.

LOL, 4kids Shredder was a goddamn Utrom. The Shredder, the human main villain of the Turtles was changed to an alien Utrom in 4kids.

You guys can't call out Nick for changing/updating characters when the 4kids series, IDW, Archie, etc. all did the same things.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

LOL, 4kids Shredder was a goddamn Utrom. The Shredder, the human main villain of the Turtles was changed to an alien Utrom in 4kids.

You guys can't call out Nick for changing/updating characters when the 4kids series, IDW, Archie, etc. all did the same things.

And yet he functioned as an actual Shredder, fulfilling all of the core functions and backgrounds of Oroku Saki (albeit with some changes). Same for Nick's take on the character.

[CyberCubed]

And I'd say most of the updated characters in Nick all form the same functions to make them true to their characters as well. That's why I don't understand some of these people's double standards here.

We finally have a Rahzar with an actual character and backstory, as opposed to the dumb feral mutant he was in the second movie. Until IDW introduces their version of Rahzar in the future...if that ever happens, Nick's version is still the most developed version of the character.

[MikeandRaph87]

Razhar in the 1987 episode, 'Dirk Savage: Mutant Hunter' was not a dumb feral mutant. He was an intellectual looking for a food source to survive.

CKD, I listed Baxter because he is a first string character.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by MikeandRaph87

Razhar in the 1987 episode, 'Dirk Savage: Mutant Hunter' was not a dumb feral mutant. He was an intellectual looking for a food source to survive.

Yes, but he had no backstory. He was just a mutant living in the wilds.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

And I'd say most of the updated characters in Nick all form the same functions to make them true to their characters as well. That's why I don't understand some of these people's double standards here.

We finally have a Rahzar with an actual character and backstory, as opposed to the dumb feral mutant he was in the second movie. Until IDW introduces their version of Rahzar in the future...if that ever happens, Nick's version is still the most developed version of the character.

I'd disagree with you, especially regarding Bebop and Rocksteady.

[CyberCubed]

What do you mean?

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

And yet he functioned as an actual Shredder, fulfilling all of the core functions and backgrounds of Oroku Saki (albeit with some changes). Same for Nick's take on the character.

Plus the Utrom thing was a twist, and not revealed until partway into season 2. In his exo-suit, he was as much of a Shredder as the next.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I already did the research a few pages back...

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

Shredder might have realistically named Tokka IF Shredder thought that a herd of reindeer was intimidating. And if Oroku Saki were Finnish, Icelandic, Swedish, or Nordic.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/tokka
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sami_languages

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Not especially familiar with those but I was thinking of something a bit more gutteral and primitive-sounding.