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Atleast she got to do Tang Shen and Alopex in the Nick Cartoon which I liked.
Karai in OOTS practically didnt exist. She stood around in the background of the whole film before being beat by Vernon and April at the end. I wonder why she was recast at all |
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I don't understand why people think obscurity is such a bad thing. Probably 50% of all stories I enjoy are obscure or "niche."
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Technically, this is an alien invasion film... but how many alien invasion movies exist where everything is resolved before anything bad actually happens? I mean, at least bring some destruction to the city and/or world first. Give the Turtles a verified evil thing to stop and save the day, for which the citizens are grateful for the unknown heroes. As it stands, they can't report on who got rid of it or how, so what does the average citizen know? "There was a weird thing in the sky... then by dinner it was gone." They wouldn't even know if it was actually dangerous to them, even if likely assumed. edit: Actually the film seems to span at least three days (in which no one seems to ever sleep and some never change clothing), so I take that back. But still.. three or more days and the object in the sky causes no actual harm. (edit: Wait, it doesn't show up until the last, right? It's such a mess I can't even remember now. lol) Quote:
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Shredder in 2014 and 2016 felt like completely different characters so he might as well have been killed off at the end of the first film. That way, the movie wouldve not been dwelling with the treasure hunt plot which overshadowed the actual invasion. It wouldve started out like this: Krang invades earth but the turtles must stop him and the two mutant hechmen he created: Bebop and Rocksteady. Relatively simple plot compared to what we got. Infact, when you really think about it: Brad Gerret Krang could have some pretty funny banter with B and R like the FW cartoon. He could shout stuff like "creatants!" And "incompetent idiots!" while Brian Tee Shredder didnt have that kind of personality. |
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As a film, atleast its better to have a very simple plot (alien invades earth, defeat alien) rather tha have alot of moments slapped together with the main plot point (alien invasion) at the very end.
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It seems that most versions since then have adopted the Father/Daughter angle with Shredder/Karai, so I think that might be here to stay. She showed reasonable skill in 2007, but no version of Karai should ever be beaten in physical combat by April. As others have said, she was completely useless in the Bay movies. May as well have been another henchman. |
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Kind of infuriating. Less that TPTB keeps finding new and equally questionable ways to do that with her, but more that it doesn't appear to bother much of anyone.
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I enjoy seeing a lot of artists at conventions convey their personal vision of the turtles. I like walking into stores and seeing the turtles plastered over everything like they were in the late 80's/early 90's. I enjoy sharing the franchise with my young sons and watching them enjoy it the way I did when I was young. All of that would not exist if the turtles were relegated to an obscure comic title in the 80's. Sure, I enjoy the original Mirage stuff probably best of all, but I also get a lot of enjoyment out of the new stuff coming out. The quality varies from great to poor, but I love that it's coming out. I hope the turtles have the longevity and relevance of Mickey Mouse, Superman, etc. |
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I still haven't seen the movie, so I can't really speak to anything that happens in it outside of what's in the trailer.
As for Karai, good luck waiting for her to get a decent representation.
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Are you guys wanting an explanation for the change in his look between movies? Or is the assumption that he died in the 1st movie and he's inexplicably back in the 2nd? |
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Though it really doesn't make any sense to me why they would even bother recasting Shredder and Karai at all. Brian Tee isn't a "name." Was it really important for kids to see a somewhat younger Shredder in there? It doesn't sound like either Karai or Shredder were even doing any heavy lifting in the movie.
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I'm looking at the franchise as it is right now; if we weren't getting another cartoon (ugh), and if we were never getting another movie, and the IDW comics only made it another few years before ending... so what? It was a great ride (mostly downhill, from a certain point of view). Shows don't have to still be on the air to introduce your kids to them. The power of YouTube and DVDs is not to be scoffed at. If the material coming out is worse and worse, obscurity is better. People stumble onto "obscure" stuff all the time. It's what friends and family are for. "Dude, read this." Hell, coworkers can serve that purpose, too. "How was your weekend?" "Badass, man... read this book!" Obscure media is not unavailable media.
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It's also not usually media that currently turning a profit.
So it's kind of unlikely that tmnt will find its way back to obscurity for a while. And then when it does, and gets popular again, it'll get ruined when they try to make it mass market appealing again. See: Fraction's run on Hawkeye.
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He went from presumably an old man (albeit one curiously very capable in a robo-Shredder suit) to being in his upper 30s. Little bit of a stretch. (I know, I know, April in the old films changed, but the second actress is at least a believable replacement.) Though they never mentioned Shredders name. It wouldn't have taken much to suggest that the Shredder in 2014 is maybe the father of 2016 Shredder. I never assumed Shredder necessarily died in the first, since he was shown to move, but it would not have taken much effort or screen time to suggest in 2016 that he was injured and the old guy retired the position to his son, Saki. It would have also given Shredder his own reason to actually hate the Turtles this time and want revenge, if the former Shredder was injured. Or later died from injuries if it went that route. Last edited by IndigoErth; 05-10-2017 at 01:20 PM. |
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When you consider that, can you really blame them? Most of those fans are just used to the daughter/underling version, so they don't question it. The writers mostly only know of that version and that it's the version more people are familiar with, so they write her accordingly. 4Kids is the lense through with the Mirage stories are perceived in popular culture. Not saying that's a good thing, just that it shouldn't be unexpected. |
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People should stop using it. It's fallacy.
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And it may be somewhat easy getting friends to get into things that you find interesting off a simple recommendation, but getting your kids interested is a different story. Kids tend to be into whatever is hot at the moment; whatever their friends are into. My kids likely won't see the appeal of the '87 TMNT cartoon, Family Matters, Beetlejuice, or anything else I watched when I was little. That principle applies to why I never watched Happy Days, Three's Company, or Dallas. Could be quality shows, but my friends had no interest, so I didn't either. Kids tend to have herd mentality sometimes. Maybe when they're older... |
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They're most likely not going to, a lot of people seem like they would much rather watch a movie or a TV-show adaptation than go and read the book or comic it's based on, even if they ended up liking the adaptation they aren't interested in reading. "Walking Dead" and "A Song of Ice and Fire" had both been running for years before their TV adaptations, yet do ever hear anyone talk about the source material?
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I know a ton of people talking about the source material of those and comparing. Plenty of "The books are so much better!" grumblers about GoT and a lot of people saying, "It's an odd example where the show is way better than the books." Walking Dead, plenty of fans out there. Before Negan debuted on the show Facebook was afire with comic fans getting super excited because of what he does in the comics.
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