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Old 08-30-2018, 10:10 AM   #1
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Frozen 2

It sounds like the Frozen sequel may end up being an "important" movie:

https://toonado.com/movies/frozen-2-...ed-sequel-a548

Or maybe it's FAKE news.
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Old 08-30-2018, 10:20 AM   #2
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God I hope so. It's time for the first lesbian Disney "princess" character. (Yes I know she's not a princess, but Wreck it Ralph 2 treats her as one)

Finally there will lesbians princesses in my Disney cartoons. I've been waiting for this ever since the sequel was announced. This movie comes out in what...2019-2020? We're living in the new modern age, it's time.

Remember 50+ years ago interracial relationships were seen as shocking, remember how Captain Kirk kissing Uhura in Star Trek was seen as such a big deal...watching it now it's laughable how minor that scene is. Times have changed. We're not in 1960 anymore, and we're also not in 1995 anymore. We're entering the 2020's and it would be great to see gay relationships portrayed in a mature and sophisticated manner in children's movies/cartoons.

I just hope Disney doesn't chicken out due to fear of Christian soccer moms, you know there's going to be some backlash and possible lower box office sales just due to some religious nuts as well as homophobic people. If Disney is willing to do it, I commend them.
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Old 08-30-2018, 10:21 AM   #3
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It sounds like the Frozen sequel may end up being an "important" movie:

https://toonado.com/movies/frozen-2-...ed-sequel-a548

Or maybe it's FAKE news.
People have been rumoring that for years now. Honestly, I don't see Disney doing it. They've been too stealthy with their LGBT acknowledgments in previous movies.
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Old 08-30-2018, 10:22 AM   #4
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People have been rumoring that for years now. Honestly, I don't see Disney doing it. They've been too stealthy with their LGBT acknowledgments in previous movies.
Which makes sense why a huge sequel like Frozen 2 would be the movie to break new ground with it. Elsa is really the only chance they have to do it, and it fits because she was introduced back in 2013 and won't feel like they're changing her character to do something like this.
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Old 08-30-2018, 12:59 PM   #5
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As soon as I saw saw the title thread, I immediately knew the first reply would be CyberCubed wanting Lesbian Elsa

I personally don't think its gonna happen.

Also, I like the Original and think that its a pretty good film, but I wish for a better villain this time around. Didn't like Hans as a twist villain that much.
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Old 08-30-2018, 01:16 PM   #6
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Everyone knows that Merida should be the first lesbian princess.

Though Kuzco is best princess.
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Old 08-30-2018, 02:03 PM   #7
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Merida: Doesn't want to be forced into marriage; would prefer to actually get to know the three young men presented to her over time, rather than being pressured to make a choice on the spot in a glorified sporting event.

Y'all: MUST BE GAY!


But yeah, this is old news by now. I think there will be a line in the sand drawn for just how far they can go.

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I do think that the pressure is on thanks to Turner Broadcasting making what kids these days seem to be calling a "Big Dick Move" on Cartoon Network with Steven Universe having a gay proposal and a big gay wedding days apart from each other.
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Old 08-30-2018, 02:06 PM   #8
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Merida: Doesn't want to be forced into marriage; would prefer to actually get to know the three young men presented to her over time, rather than being pressured to make a choice on the spot in a glorified sporting event.

Y'all: MUST BE GAY!
I get that and I am happy for our independant woman. Though I can't deny, MulanxMerida is cute.

Then again I am the weird one that is on the ElsaxAnna boat
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Old 08-30-2018, 02:42 PM   #9
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Just watch some Lesbian porn and read Elsa x Anna fanfics, 'cubed.
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Old 08-30-2018, 03:02 PM   #10
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Plot twist. Make Anna the lesbian instead.

Also why not make an all new lesbian Disney princess and not a pre-existing one in a sequel?
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Plot twist. Make HANS the lesbian.
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Old 08-30-2018, 04:04 PM   #12
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And trans? In that case he could return as a villain with his, now her, new identity, unknown to the heroes of the film, and be some big surprise plot twist at the end that their enemy was in fact an old foe.
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Old 08-30-2018, 05:30 PM   #13
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And trans? In that case he could return as a villain with his, now her, new identity, unknown to the heroes of the film, and be some big surprise plot twist at the end that their enemy was in fact an old foe.
Can you imagine amounts of screeching it will bring from certain group?
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Old 08-30-2018, 11:27 PM   #14
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I don't think this will happen.

Despite what people say in public, and despite the fact that a majority of people are not bothered by same-sex relationships, when push comes to shove I think a lot of parents are still quite guarded in the way they broach the subject with their kids. The sense I get is that even parents who are reasonably progressive don't necessarily want Disney to force their hand into having that conversation.

I'm not saying it's the wrong thing to do per se, just that it would be a very ballsy move for Disney and I don't think they're a very ballsy company.
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Old 08-30-2018, 11:31 PM   #15
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I'm pretty sure it's fake. While I wouldn't have any problem with it, I could see a lot of parents having a huge problem with it. Not because of the lesbian angle... but because of the stealth lesbian angle.

Let me explain.

You let your kids watch Frozen 1. They fall in love with Elsa. The kids see previews for Frozen 2 years later, beg to see it. Oh. It turns out Elsa is a lesbian, and was the whole first movie your kid(s) saw years ago, and part 2 is a big lesbian romance. Now it's in their head and in front of them, with characters they idolized from earlier in their childhood.

Not saying there's anything inherently wrong with any of this on a narrative or story basis, I'm just saying -- guaranteeing -- there'd be outcry. And TPTB would surely avoid this. It'd be one thing if Frozen 1 had kicked in the door and firmly planted the lesbian flag... what the rumor suggests is something else entirely.
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Old 08-31-2018, 01:47 AM   #16
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I have no problem with it if it happens. Thought Frozen was just ok but I think the sequel will better since they’ll probably do more than trek through the snow.

I agree there will be criticism but it will eventually calm down. It’s not like they’d do anything over the top in a family movie. A kiss is as far as it would go.

Then it would be made into gif animations online
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Old 08-31-2018, 01:58 AM   #17
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At this point I'd expect as much backlash from fans if Elsa gets a male love interest, over either getting no love interest at all or getting a woman.

Granted kids won't care at all, (then again kids who saw Frozen in 2013 are teenagers now), so who knows. I have to admit, the idea of Elsa getting a male love interest would just seem...kinda wrong. Like I'd rather she just have no love interest at all then.
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Old 08-31-2018, 02:24 AM   #18
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I just thought of something...do kids not realize that Ellen DeGeneres is gay? They must know she voices Dory and probably watch her on tv in general.

It’s not like kids have no idea what being gay is or about.
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Old 08-31-2018, 08:21 AM   #19
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I'm pretty sure it's fake. While I wouldn't have any problem with it, I could see a lot of parents having a huge problem with it. Not because of the lesbian angle... but because of the stealth lesbian angle.

Let me explain.

You let your kids watch Frozen 1. They fall in love with Elsa. The kids see previews for Frozen 2 years later, beg to see it. Oh. It turns out Elsa is a lesbian, and was the whole first movie your kid(s) saw years ago, and part 2 is a big lesbian romance. Now it's in their head and in front of them, with characters they idolized from earlier in their childhood.

Not saying there's anything inherently wrong with any of this on a narrative or story basis, I'm just saying -- guaranteeing -- there'd be outcry. And TPTB would surely avoid this. It'd be one thing if Frozen 1 had kicked in the door and firmly planted the lesbian flag... what the rumor suggests is something else entirely.
Absolutely this. Disney plays it far too safe; they're not interested in taking risks or jeopardizing their profits.

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Just ask James Gunn. Heyo!!!!
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Old 08-31-2018, 12:55 PM   #20
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Personally I would prefer she did not get a love interest at all. Though if I had to choose it would be based on the personality of the character, not the gender.
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