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Old 05-11-2017, 11:04 AM   #101
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We know the truth, you won't even dispute it.
Actually he did. But all this fighting is pointless regardless.

Neatoman and pferrria, Lets agree to disagree and not divert the topic of threads.

This is getting to the point where it looks like the mods will get involved sooner or later if the personal attacks continue down this road.

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Old 05-11-2017, 11:09 AM   #102
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Refer to my above post.

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Actually he did. But all this fighting is pointless regardless.
Thank you, I agree.
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Old 05-11-2017, 11:12 AM   #103
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What fighting?
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Old 05-11-2017, 12:03 PM   #104
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In my personal imagination, my Turtles do kill but only if it is necessary.
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Old 05-12-2017, 06:14 PM   #105
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I've read they have a "no kill policy" in the IDW comics. What's up with that?
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Old 05-13-2017, 01:03 AM   #106
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I've read they have a "no kill policy" in the IDW comics. What's up with that?
It's more of a Nickelodeon policy. If Nick let them, IDW would have them kill.
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Old 05-13-2017, 03:01 AM   #107
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IDW's reprints of Mirage Studios material even have this weird disclaimer where it says they were made decades ago and shouldn't be seen as representing modern values or those of any company currently involved. It's pretty bizarre.
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Old 05-13-2017, 05:13 AM   #108
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For me, it's more a matter of which turtle is more willing to kill if he had to, not if all of them as a whole are killers.

So, in regards to my personal vision on their position as potential killers.

...It's Leonardo. Leonardo is the most willing to kill. He's embraced Splinter's teachings much more than the others and that's part of why Splinter put him in charge.

Raphael follows behind him and believes that it should be done as justice, with a side of following Splinter's teachings. He probably has killed a street thug or two, but might not be aware of it.

Michelangelo is the third most willing, not through any reasoning of his own, but because he thinks his older brothers know best. Though, he also sees reason in Donatello's philosophy and so he has some trouble making up his own mind.

Which puts Donatello dead last in the willingness list. He's Leonardo's opposite, more embracing of the modern world and skeptical of Splinter's philosophies, especially the ones pertaining to revenge killing. His thing with 'Ninja honor' is basically "It's 20xx not 1650, even the Ban don't get up to this sh*t!"
So, in a way, Donatello would be the rebel in my vision, not Raphael.
(But if he had to, say if his life was in danger, yes he would, but he very much wishes he could tell Leonardo where he can stick his acceptance of Revenge Killing philosophies)

When it comes down to the idea of all four turtles as hardened edgelord killers...I like it as much as I like that Utroms are intrinsically 100% pacifistic models of angelic morality who would rather abandon their possessions and run to another planet than get involved in military conflicts.

I don't. Especially since the turtles would be middle schoolers at the youngest and high school sophomores at the oldest, age wise.
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Old 05-13-2017, 05:32 PM   #109
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I wonder how the Turtles don't "accidentally" kill. As said Leo and Raph use blades, in a huge fight of a whole bunch of people attacking them at once there's no way their blades don't cut flesh even if they don't intend to. In the cartoons their blades are always blocked by swords or they miss (this is how the 4kids series did the Foot fights), but in any realistic scenario they're not going to be perfectly blocked.

Likewise, even a bo staff or a nunchuck to the face can cause you serious brain damage or knock you out. Do you know how much it hurts to get a huge piece of wood swung in your face at full force by a trained expert? Even if you don't die or get a concussion, that would literally knock out your front teeth and break your nose.
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Old 05-13-2017, 05:52 PM   #110
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I wonder how the Turtles don't "accidentally" kill. As said Leo and Raph use blades, in a huge fight of a whole bunch of people attacking them at once there's no way their blades don't cut flesh even if they don't intend to. In the cartoons their blades are always blocked by swords or they miss (this is how the 4kids series did the Foot fights), but in any realistic scenario they're not going to be perfectly blocked.

Likewise, even a bo staff or a nunchuck to the face can cause you serious brain damage or knock you out. Do you know how much it hurts to get a huge piece of wood swung in your face at full force by a trained expert? Even if you don't die or get a concussion, that would literally knock out your front teeth and break your nose.

Agreed. Though technically Raph's weapons are still blunt even though they are metal.

Utie, I second your analysis with a caveat that I think the first two would be reversed. I think Raph would be more likely to kill mainly because he is so brash and protective of the others he wouldn't really care if he did. He'd see it as one less enemy to come after them later. Leo would probably be more inclined to believe they might change or give up after a good beat-down, and would have Splinter's view that life is precious- even an enemy's. Mikey might kill, but only reluctantly and would feel awful about ut afterward. Donnie being a pacifist would only do it as a last resort or if he felt they were truly a threat to his family and friends.
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Old 05-13-2017, 10:43 PM   #111
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It's more of a Nickelodeon policy. If Nick let them, IDW would have them kill.
But didn't Splinter kill Shredder?
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Old 05-14-2017, 12:26 PM   #112
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I think Raph would be more likely to kill mainly because he is so brash and protective of the others he wouldn't really care if he did.
Gotta agree. And a good reason he doesn't use bladed weapons. If he did he may well go overboard and sooner or later eventually pay for it later, emotionally, if an innocent got in the way (or his reaction outweighed a minor baddie's offense) and his 'bull in a china shop' aggression couldn't put the breaks on well/soon enough.

In a way, his primary weapon is as much, if not more, himself and his own fists than his sai; with the sai acting as kind of a defensive aid.

(Not that you probably couldn't put the center rod of a sai through someone's gut if enough force was used.)


If all of the Turtles had access to a button that would destroy the world... I could never see Donnie or Mikey willing to hit it. Leo might, though through a very hard decision if it was down to sacrificing Earth to save the rest of the universe and it if seemed like the right thing. Raph... he's that guy who might just have a "f*** the whole world" kind of day and we're screwed.
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Old 05-14-2017, 12:49 PM   #113
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Lots of people in this thread need to read some volume 4, regarding Michelangelo.
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Old 05-14-2017, 01:17 PM   #114
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But didn't Splinter kill Shredder?
as well as Darius Dunn.

I think so long as it's not the turtles themselves it's fine. Which I'm good with. For them, NInjutsu was taught them as a self defense, not as a killing skill.
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Lots of people in this thread need to read some volume 4, regarding Michelangelo.
But don't a lot of people consider that arc OOC for him?
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Is it though? Dude's been through a lot at that point.
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Is it though? Dude's been through a lot at that point.
Yeah, even calm cool and collected people can go through only so much before they reach they're limit.
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Utie, I second your analysis with a caveat that I think the first two would be reversed. I think Raph would be more likely to kill mainly because he is so brash and protective of the others he wouldn't really care if he did. He'd see it as one less enemy to come after them later. Leo would probably be more inclined to believe they might change or give up after a good beat-down, and would have Splinter's view that life is precious- even an enemy's. Mikey might kill, but only reluctantly and would feel awful about ut afterward. Donnie being a pacifist would only do it as a last resort or if he felt they were truly a threat to his family and friends.
Yeah, that makes a little more sense in the order in which you were going. It was probably 3am when I made that post, so I didn't have everything lined up right.

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as well as Darius Dunn.
Well, technically Jennika killed Dunn, but under Splinter's orders. So take that as you will.
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Old 05-14-2017, 09:14 PM   #119
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Huh. Too me Raph is the biggest killer although Leo is close second. I just think Raph would have the higher kill count. Although his weapons seem to be much less deadly.

I would put Don third, because he can be calculatingly pragmatic. Maybe I'm just thinking of Mirage Don.

Then Mike. I may have totally forgotten something but I can't remember him ever killing a soul in old Mirage. Did he even kill anyone in Vol. 4 or just enjoy watching? (And I still think that was mega OOC). I guess Mirage Turtles are my head canon.

I read the most recent IDW issue and the "no kill" thing is getting really annoying. Every time Mikey and Hob interact Mikey reminds us all of the unfortunate no kill policy. The Turtles should be allowed to kill in self-defense. I feel like they have in the Nick show more than they have in IDW.

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