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Old 12-01-2014, 09:44 PM   #81
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Then...why don't urinals have walls?
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Old 12-01-2014, 09:47 PM   #82
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Dammit. These conversations always get most interesting while I'm asleep.


This chick gets it. You don't need to have a dick to understand the problems with getting part of it cut off.



Absolutely.


Wanna trade shlongs? We're in two totally opposite situations, my friend. But in all seriousness, I'd strongly advise against getting that done, because there's no going back once you do. And there's no guarantee you'll like it more the other way; eventually you might think it was a bad idea, but by then it'll be too late. No doubt it's harder to clean as long as you've got foreskin, but I imagine I'd get used to that after a while.

Let's get into the c0ck trade
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Old 12-01-2014, 09:50 PM   #83
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Then...why don't urinals have walls?
Because it's an unwritten rule - it's a subliminal message. If they start building walls to segregate the urinals then they're bringing the issue out into the open. The reason for no walls is so that we can still keep up the pretence of being comfortable around other men while peeing. All that time though the rule is being respected.

Just seen that Leo posted the same thing about changing rooms in his big reply as I did, at the same time. That guy clearly gets it - most men do.
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Old 12-01-2014, 09:54 PM   #84
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Then...why don't urinals have walls?
Some are partitioned.
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Old 12-01-2014, 09:59 PM   #85
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Actually a LOT of urinals nowadays DO have segregation walls, but it's fairly modern and you only see it most often in fancier places. Probably because it costs money to install, and also you have to space the urinals slightly farther apart than you can if they don't have walls, because they're spaced apart factoring in the average height and thus shoulder width of the average male, but now you're losing an inch and a half on either side because of the walls, so actually choosing whether your bathroom has walls between urinals or not can be a fairly big design choice for your business. Especially if it's a pre-existing facility and you decide to renovate. It's not as simple as "Throw a sheet up between 'em and call it a wall".

The sh*t you learn doing move jobs for a decade.

This "problems guys and girls will never see eye-to-eye on" kick reminds me of a good one. The eternal "Seat Up Or Down" debate. I don't care WHO you are, male, female, whatever, if you don't look before you sit, you're stupid and deserve whatever happens to you. Even if the seat is down, someone could have piss or sh*t on it before you got there, so you should be looking before you sit anyway, and if the seat is up, it takes less than a second to put it down. This is some serious "We Just Want To Argue About Something" bullsh*t. If it's down, great, if it's up, holy sh*t, just put it down, Princess.
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Old 12-01-2014, 09:59 PM   #86
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There's something else which women aren't getting about this debate (understandably).

For a man, his penis is a source of great pride. He learns to treat it with respect. It's the key to his future potential fatherhood, his pleasure, his ability to pass water etc. Also, given the sheer quantity of phallic imagery, the male staff is a symbol of masculinity and everything that goes with it. For most men (there are rare exceptions), it's blasphemy to mock another man's manhood. It's simply a line that is rarely crossed. This is another reason why we don't look at one another in toilets - many people think sneaking a glance would be a competitive thing, but the reason that most of us don't look is because we don't want to possibly erode another man's self-confidence over that thing which is important to all of us. If I was to look at another guy's junk, and he saw me doing it, he might notice a look of disgust if I found it too small or weird. That would be a natural reaction but it's also a reaction I wouldn't want to have because I wouldn't want to suggest to the guy that his penis is inferior or inadequate. It's simply a line that shouldn't be crossed, other than in porn designed for it e.g. cuckold.

The penis is a symbol of male strength, pride, fertility. It should be respected and revered at all costs.
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This "problems guys and girls will never see eye-to-eye on" kick reminds me of a good one. The eternal "Seat Up Or Down" debate. I don't care WHO you are, male, female, whatever, if you don't look before you sit, you're stupid and deserve whatever happens to you. Even if the seat is down, someone could have piss or sh*t on it before you got there, so you should be looking before you sit anyway, and if the seat is up, it takes less than a second to put it down. This is some serious "We Just Want To Argue About Something" bullsh*t. If it's down, great, if it's up, holy sh*t, just put it down, Princess.
The answer to this one is simple:
Close the lid on the toilet.

That way everyone is lifting something, everyone is putting something down, and when you flush the crap water isn't sprayed all over the bathroom. You know...where your toothbrushes live.
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... fair enough. Leo's explanation kind of broke it down enough for me to get it on some level, so I mean, I understand your perspective on "these are the social customs, this is how I feel" - it's just something I don't relate to emotionally. I can't lie, if I had a flesh-and-blood dick and I were at a urinal, I'd get really tempted to look at someone's stuff from the corner of my eye; less from a cruising perspective and more from a curious "does his look like mine" thing. Which is probably why I'd permanently have two black eyes if I were a cis-dude.
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... fair enough. Leo's explanation kind of broke it down enough for me to get it on some level, so I mean, I understand your perspective on "these are the social customs, this is how I feel" - it's just something I don't relate to emotionally. I can't lie, if I had a flesh-and-blood dick and I were at a urinal, I'd get really tempted to look at someone's stuff from the corner of my eye; less from a cruising perspective and more from a curious "does his look like mine" thing. Which is probably why I'd permanently have two black eyes if I were a cis-dude.
Tbh I am just taking the mickey with most of my recent posts. I make this sh!t up as I go along. All that stuff about phallic imagery & penises being revered is bollox, no pun intended.
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No joke!
I look at the other ladies in the locker room when they're changing. Not a long, lingering, leer, but just something out of the corner of my eye. I've studied way too much human anatomy to not be curious about how everyone around me looks naked.
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I can't lie, if I had a flesh-and-blood dick and I were at a urinal, I'd get really tempted to look at someone's stuff from the corner of my eye; less from a cruising perspective and more from a curious "does his look like mine" thing. Which is probably why I'd permanently have two black eyes if I were a cis-dude.
Ohh me too, I'd do the same! I always wonder what I'd look like if I could be magically turned into a male for a while, I know I' be inspecting my own junk because it would be so new. Plus would I be tall or short, and would my face still look like mine, only more masculine?

One advantage of being a guy though would be knowing that when you enter a bathroom stall, you'll never have to worry about finding some stranger's menstrual blood covering the seat, or used tampons on the floor. Men are free from that kind of strangers' ickyness
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Menstrual blood on a seat - I'm gonna vomit my fvcking soup up here.

If I was female for a day I'd spend that entire day fondling my breasts and toying with my muffin.
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LOL Dave, I figured you were joking. Either that or you were going to break out the drums and start smearing yourself with bear fat.

But yeah, plastron - I'm constantly looking at other people; sometimes it's sexual but a lot of the time it's more of a thing where I'm just aesthetically enjoying the body in its natural form... I mean, we don't often get the chance to see other bodies that aren't photoshopped, cellulite-free, hairless, toned and tanned, so really it's more a harmless curiosity thing on my part.

As far as the toilet seat thing goes - dude, in my house, that sh*t stays down for one very simple reason: my favorite cat likes to jump up and sit on there, and he does not look before he leaps. Cue a soggy, toilet-water-covered cat being chased around the house by me and then having to bathe him... it does not result in happy fun times for anyone involved.
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... fair enough. Leo's explanation kind of broke it down enough for me to get it on some level, so I mean, I understand your perspective on "these are the social customs, this is how I feel" - it's just something I don't relate to emotionally. I can't lie, if I had a flesh-and-blood dick and I were at a urinal, I'd get really tempted to look at someone's stuff from the corner of my eye; less from a cruising perspective and more from a curious "does his look like mine" thing. Which is probably why I'd permanently have two black eyes if I were a cis-dude.
Yeah, Leo went further, thanks for that Sir, but maybe this will cement it;
it feels like confrontation, and almost assault.

Dave might have exaggerated a tad, but almost all of what he said is pretty true.

In any event, I'm sure you've had the unpleasant feeling that accompanies unwanted advances. A guy clocking your c0ck feels exactly like that, and at least for me, I see red almost immediately.
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Yeah, I was joking about the masculinity thing, but not so much about the invasion of privacy.

One thing I've noticed is that, if I wake up and have to go to the bathroom, I will often be so exhausted that I can't actually stand up to urinate. In that event I tend to sit down. That erodes my masculinity because, well...I'm peeing like a girl. But I just don't have the energy to stand straight. And even if I did, my co-ordination at that point would make the act akin to Oliver Reed playing Call of Duty.
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So, hey. I was at a cousin's wedding years ago. I was maybe 8 or 9 max. I went to the bathroom there and as I was using the urinal some old creep f*ck from another wedding walked up to the one next to me, there were several others open on each side, and spent the next 20-30 seconds moving back and forth as I shifted away from him to stop him from trying to stare at my little kid dick.

From that day on I haven't used a urinal unless there's a partition, which is thankfully becoming a norm. I've also been in certain places where it's pretty f*cking easy to get your shoes pissed on by some drunk slob at a urinal. There are multiple reasons to not want to engage in the urinal thing or for feeling uncomfortable in that situation, but sometimes there's zero choice and you've got to deal with it, which totally f*cking sucks.

So, yeah. I guess I'm not comfortable with my sexuality or I'm worried about gays or something.
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Sounds to me like being side-eyed in the men's room feels exactly like being catcalled on the street.
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So, hey. I was at a cousin's wedding years ago. I was maybe 8 or 9 max. I went to the bathroom there and as I was using the urinal some old creep f*ck from another wedding walked up to the one next to me, there were several others open on each side, and spent the next 20-30 seconds moving back and forth as I shifted away from him to stop him from trying to stare at my little kid dick.

From that day on I haven't used a urinal unless there's a partition, which is thankfully becoming a norm. I've also been in certain places where it's pretty f*cking easy to get your shoes pissed on by some drunk slob at a urinal. There are multiple reasons to not want to engage in the urinal thing or for feeling uncomfortable in that situation, but sometimes there's zero choice and you've got to deal with it, which totally f*cking sucks.

So, yeah. I guess I'm not comfortable with my sexuality or I'm worried about gays or something.
Lol, sickening paedophiles eyeing up young boys really are the worst.

As for getting your shoes peed on, sometimes I'm more concerned with the piss that seems to be around the urinals. Some people are vile and can't be hygienic. In those cases I just use a stall.

Related to this, has anyone ever been forced into doing "that other thing" in toilets? It's happened to me on a few occasions where it could not be avoided, and sitting on toilets always makes me paranoid about infections. Well, I guess for women whether it's a p or s is irrelevant as they have to sit down either way.

Are you guys from the old school of covering the toilet in paper before sitting down?
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Sounds to me like being side-eyed in the men's room feels exactly like being catcalled on the street.
Maybe in my case, where I was very clearly being prayed on as a child. In that case it was scary, but a grown man getting leered at seems like it would be very different from a woman being hounded by dirt bags, which I would imagine is off-putting and frightening no matter how old you are.

Although, that's not exactly something I can speak to.
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Yes, a lot of women complain about that. Many very 'ample' ladies talk of men brushing against them on crowded busses, or being more explicit and trying to grope them.

I also have a good laugh when a man out of the blue tells an obviously beautiful woman that she's beautiful and expects her to be flattered. Like it's something she doesn't hear 15 times a day anyway. I don't believe in unnecessarily boosting egos like that. It also makes the guy appear desperate.
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