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Old 05-18-2017, 12:42 PM   #21
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2005 - Michelle Ivey is happily married with 3 children and has a successful career working for the Coca-Cola company.
Oh god... that's too much, man. lol...
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Old 05-18-2017, 01:49 PM   #22
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You stink of insecure feelings, you know that right?
Not just me but others have commented on your rude behaviour towards me. It comes across like you're the one who's insecure.
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Old 05-18-2017, 01:52 PM   #23
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Not just me but others have commented on your rude behaviour towards me. It comes across like you're the one who's insecure.
And others have commented on how insane you seem to be, far more than I can see calling me rude.
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Old 05-20-2017, 08:29 AM   #24
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I really don't want this thread to get locked, so can we just drop the personal arguments? You both seem to agree on the main point anyway, that TMNT would have succeeded as a comic (if less known to the mainstream) without FW.

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Keep in mind sales of the Mirage comic were declining either way in the early 90's. The comic stated in 1984, by 1994 it was already 10 years old. I'm not sure how long they would have kept it going even if Pete gave it his full attention.

Look at how quickly he burnt out with Volume 4.
I think they were declining because of the "Guest Era" and the perception that TMNT was a "Kid's Franchise". These wouldn't have happened without FW. Also, 10 years is a pretty good run anyway.
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TMNT probably would have continued, enjoying Cerebus/Hellboy/Savage Dragon-level popularity as an indie comic until after 2000, with the X-Men first movie boom, when comic book properties were being optioned for film left and right. Probably at some point 2001-2005 -- maybe sooner -- there would have been a movie offer on Kevin and Peter's desk that would have been awesome, unfettered by and and all Fred Wolf oddities. If successful, there would have been dumbed-down (but more faithful at the core) cartoons and toys and such to follow.
That's pretty much how I think TMNT without FW would have gone down. That or they get a show with AMC. But, AMC would change the setting to the Southwest because they love that whole Southwestern desert vibe.

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Doesn't account, of course, for the real life stuff we know happened. Like the big flood at Mirage that all but shuttered them at the end of Vol. 2.
Big flood?
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Old 05-20-2017, 10:06 AM   #25
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Big flood?
There was an accident that physically destroyed their work in progress, resulting in some hasty reconstruction of their work. It's why the quality of the book suffered towards the end of the book, compare a page from early on to one from later on.
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Old 05-20-2017, 10:17 AM   #26
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Yeah, there is a noticeable drop. Well, that sucks.
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Old 05-22-2017, 05:07 PM   #27
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What kind of messed-up, backwards future is this?!?
Same As It Never Was?... lol
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Old 05-24-2017, 11:47 AM   #28
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Anybody wonder if we would have gotten a more consistent linear Mirage continuity without the cartoon, like one that doesn't require a big timeline to sort out, with half the issues not being "canon"? Or do you still think they'd have told stories at varying points in the timeline anyway, and still not agree on which ones are "canon" or not.

Here's a fun one (that I'm glad didn't happen). E&L decide to greenlight that ridiculous movie idea where the Turtles are played by famous comedians, and battle roller-skating nudist nuns in the sewers. The movie bombs, but becomes a popular "so bad it's good" cult film popular with the "Toxic Avenger" crowd. So, there's no cartoon and toys and the fandom is divided between Mirage fans and Movie fans only.
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And others have commented on how insane you seem to be, far more than I can see calling me rude.
Who exactly because the only comments I get are you and a couple of others harassing me.
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Who exactly because the only comments I get are you and a couple of others harassing me.
Nobody is harrassing you, you're just showing an inability to distinguish jokes from insults. If you honestly feel you're being harrassed, you can just leave this forum and find another.
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Old 05-25-2017, 10:20 AM   #31
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Nobody is harrassing you, you're just showing an inability to distinguish jokes from insults. If you honestly feel you're being harrassed, you can just leave this forum and find another.
Considering others think you've been harassing me you're alone in that thought.
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Considering others think you've been harassing me you're alone in that thought.
Yeah, who exactly? Your pity party?
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Old 05-25-2017, 06:01 PM   #33
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Yeah, who exactly? Your pity party?
Oooo you've just offended some users here.
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E&L decide to greenlight that ridiculous movie idea where the Turtles are played by famous comedians, and battle roller-skating nudist nuns in the sewers.
And in that timeline, the Roman Catholic Church complains over TMNT, for how it depicts some nuns while in our timeline it was the most extreme Protestants that complained for whateevr theological reasons.
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They complained that TMNT was showing kids that non-Christian religions exist. At least in that timeline, Catholics would have an actual reason to dislike it.

Neatoman, Pferreira, would you guys mind taking your fight to PM? Every thread keeps turning into "The Neatoman and Pferreira Show", and it's getting kind of old.
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They complained that TMNT was showing kids that non-Christian religions exist.
Yeah, as if western children didn't already know that.
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