07-10-2018, 06:20 PM | #4641 |
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Never happen while Nick holds the rights.
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07-10-2018, 06:23 PM | #4642 |
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It's really close. I think it's gonna be the 20th of this month
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07-10-2018, 06:24 PM | #4643 |
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Thats only for the 1st ep, the show still starts in september
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07-10-2018, 06:28 PM | #4644 |
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The reason Raph didn't have to earn the leadership role is because this is a completely different take on it. They're clearly going to set it up so that Leo takes the top spot.
I don't mind having Leo eventually taking over and having things the way we're used to but please don't insult us Raph fans by having his leadership role stripped from him because they just have to make him out to be an idiot. I want there to be a good legitimate reason for Leo taking over. I predict it'll play out a lot less favorably though unfortunately. |
07-10-2018, 06:49 PM | #4645 | |
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I think I've mentioned it once before, but going at it from this direction, where everyone presumes Leo will take over at some point... I'd actually kind of prefer a somewhat reluctant Leo. Going about it in a way that will soften the transition. Let them ALL start showing signs of various talents, including Leo who becomes apparent that he's really good with strategy, etc, and does really good on the occasion that he steps up when need be. Let his BROTHERS notice and point out these traits to him. Have Leo be kind of reluctant to take the lead sometimes, leaving his bothers to push him to do it in certain situations that he has shown at being really good at handling, letting THEM tell him that they NEED him to step up and push him to do it. And Raph himself trying to convince Leo, telling him that he's really good at it and that the team needs him to step up on whatever mission. It would at least give his brothers, esp Raph, some better involvement in the transition with less competitiveness, nor create a resentful situation, if Raph himself is involved in admitting that his brother is talented in that position. Although sadly I'm not sure how well a scenario with a reluctant Leo would actually mesh with the cocky one they're creating. |
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07-10-2018, 07:20 PM | #4647 | |
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More like, MirageDark or DaredevilDark. But stories that aren't drowning in Mikey's dumbness or Raph's one-note anger or Don wearing nerd glasses and a retainer... those are indeed all in the rearview mirror.
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07-10-2018, 07:26 PM | #4649 | |
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I'd love if Raph was one of the primary characters to try to convince Leo to start leading more, for reasons you said. I'd love to see him as the supportive big brother who's super proud of his little bros. |
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07-10-2018, 07:35 PM | #4650 | |
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Like, for instance... I think the idea of Raph starting as leader of the brothers, and Leo being more of a rebel shirking responsibility, could be an excellent character arc for both of them. But who's going to do it real justice? A cartoon with Gordon Ramsay spoofs and Splinter looking like... geez, I don't even KNOW what to call that thing. With techno-Donnie and pizza everywhere? Or something akin to Frank Miller's Daredevil, just without Karen becoming a junkie hooker? Tell me I'm wrong.
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07-10-2018, 07:42 PM | #4651 | |||
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I don't trust Miller near his own work these days, let alone some of my favorite fictional characters. That dude is like the hand-model from that episode of Seinfeld. He got high on his own success, and went pants-on-head bugfutz. Uh-uh. I've got enough problem with the ubiquitous misogyny this property garners, I don't need that guy's porn addiction added to it. Now, if you were to say...suggest the folks who brought the first season of Daredevil to life. Sure. Maybe the folks behind Legion, for the Dale Evans McGuillicutty arc. Great. I have no problem with these dreams, because all of the things I'd like these characters to be and do are just that: Dreams. Because at no point during any incarnation was I the demographic being catered to. After a while, I just got used to it. And all the Drum and Strang that goes on in these threads is just a bunch of other Olds And Busteds being upset at the fact that they're not the target audience anymore either. Trust me, fandom is more fun when you take what you like from something, and then make something new with it. Lie back and think of North Hampton, guys.
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07-10-2018, 08:02 PM | #4652 | |
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My problem is, whether it's this or Star Wars or whatever franchise, if a longtime fan says, "I refuse to give this franchise my money or attention anymore, and I resent being so easily cast aside after I've essentially wasted so much money on following it," they're demonized for it, or at least for not keeping their "negative" opinion or feelings to themselves. I'll concede that sometimes a point, once made, can then be left alone, and that some of us don't do that as often as we should, but that goes both ways. Just today, people were called "crybabies" simply for explaining exactly what they didn't like. So it's not like people who are "positive" behave any better, or are "in the right". So anyway, perhaps if someone has made the point that they're dissatisfied, they should leave it at that and not constantly reiterate it, because it brings others' mood down. That's fair. They're not always "allowed" to just leave it there once they've made the point, but anyway. My point is simply, people should be allowed to say they think something sucks, as long as they can explain why they feel that way. And if it's already been said, well, there's no law against repeating yourself; you don't have to call someone names though. "You've made your point, I'm not sure you need to repeat it" works fine. I never see that, though. I see a lot of "sad old man yelling at clouds" comments, and other dismissive nonsense, because a long-time, formerly-passionate-but-now-ignored person who's spent thousands of dollars on something they're passionate about is now told, quite literally, that their opinions mean nothing, and further, they need to "shut up and go away" because, "You're harshing the buzz, maaaaaaaaan." So sure, fanfic is more productive than bitching. I agree. However, they both cost the same and neither is illegal. It's the "You don't like what I/we like, so you're not allowed to talk, period" mentality that I always have a real problem with. Pro- or Con-, if you can competently support your position then you have a place in the conversation, as far as I see it.
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You'd think after all the years of being told that my opinion on something doesn't matter because I'm not the target audience would make me more empathetic to the plight of the dudes who've aged out of relevance.
Alas. And with that, I'm going to tap out.
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... and to think that all of this started because Leonardo got face-punched.
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07-10-2018, 08:21 PM | #4655 | |
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Though, to be fair, he proved after that (in numerous episodes, e.g. "New Girl in Town") that he was probably best-suited for the job anyway. In that iteration, at least.
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07-10-2018, 11:16 PM | #4657 |
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Okay, I've been silent for a while just reading along. Also to get this thread back on track, here's my take on the new show and the Turtles:
Raph - Uhhh, well...him being the leader is odd, but an interesting take on his character. It could be okay and maybe he'll decide to step down at some point. Being the oldest and self-appointing himself as the leader doesn't seem all that far-fetched. Older siblings are supposed to take charge, after all. As for his personality, I don't see him all that different from past incarnations. He's a brute, doesn't think before he punches something, and he's a hothead. Leadership qualities, hardly, but hopefully he'll settle down eventually. Mikey - He could be fun. He seems to have his head together more than his 2012 counterpart, so that's a bonus. Leo - Oh, boy. Being a huge Leo fan, I have to admit, this one has taken me aback a little. He could be fun, I guess. Some of his lines are very cringe-y, but he's also pretty witty and I like that. I don't have a huge problem with him not being the leader yet, since I'm sure he will be at some point. It just wouldn't be TMNT without Leo leading. Donnie - Actually, Donnie became my favorite after the release of that animated comic that came out a few weeks ago. Him being an adrenaline junkie doesn't seem out of character so much since he's developed his own tech to keep himself safe. He might feel a bit more adventurous to try it out. I don't have a lot to go on with him yet (since his video is yet to be released) but he definitely is shaping up to be my favorite Turtle in this version so far. My overall take on the show is that it could be fun. The changes are intriguing and I really want to see how they handle certain new aspects in TMNT that we've never seen before. I'm hyped up for the premiere coming next weekend and hopefully I'll like how things go for this series. I love the fact in most of the character videos we see them with their traditional weapons. I think I've wasted enough of your time now. lol Carry on! Last edited by Kit31; 07-11-2018 at 12:33 AM. |
07-11-2018, 06:24 AM | #4658 |
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Sure. It's more entertaining to see something different so for that alone I hope to see him lead for a while but in an effective way even if a bit flawed.
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07-11-2018, 05:26 PM | #4659 |
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Well I'm a Leo fan and I'm open to the changes introduced so far. It might be fun to see this side of him. It is 'Rise f the TMNT' and it's meant to be them before how we know them so I do think that Leo may transition to closer to how we know him. Of course, there's no reason why he couldn't become a leader and still throw out his one-liners that irritate his brothers (I hope that he has enough self-awareness to know that his one-liners irritate his brothers but he just can't resist). After all, Leo in the 2012 version in his early days also came out with lines that annoyed his brothers. I'm looking forward to the first episode and enjoying it for what it is.
At least with TMNT, these are all alternate dimensions so you can completely disregard it if you don't like it. Even if it totally destroyed Leo's character, I can just dismiss that version of him. Unfortunately, I can't say the same for Star Wars where it's a continuation and they just destroyed Luke's character for me. The last film left a bitter taste in my mouth after seeing it and it's the only Star Wars film that I haven't purchased and as of now, I don't have any inclination to see the sequel since I actually don't have any interest in it anymore. I wasn't tempted to see Solo at all. As someone said, I tend to prefer the more 'boring' noble characters. I prefer Luke to Han, Captain America to Iron Man, etc. However, Seto Kaiba is an exception to that rule for some reason. |
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