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Old 09-23-2019, 11:05 PM   #1
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April thread deleted, trying again

So, maybe I needed a more direct approach, asking this in a less offensive way.

Does it matter to you, if April is drawn/portrayed with sex appeal, or is that something that isnít appropriate in 2019?

Would like this to be a a flame free discussion. Honest answers appreciated.
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Old 09-23-2019, 11:16 PM   #2
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I'm not saying that I want porn, but I would prefer any design of April to be reasonably attractive.
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Old 09-23-2019, 11:28 PM   #3
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I'm not saying that I want porn, but I would prefer any design of April to be reasonably attractive.
When you google her, porn is almost exclusively what shows up.
So, my first post was trying to understand if she is a sexy symbol for hard core fans (here) or if thatís more of a general audience thing.

Iím thinking the attempt to get a rating on her perceived attractiveness crossed the line. I wasnít sure how to pose the question given what is deemed attractive is hard to define, and also, the sheer number of Aprilís out there.
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Old 09-24-2019, 06:19 AM   #4
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The way IDW has drawn her is perfect. She looks reasonably attractive without going overboard with it, and she looks like a regular girl. She doesn't have any "fanservice" shots making it look like she's used for sex appeal, and she's written as any other character in the book.

IDW has treated its female characters really well. Angel is another character they could have used for fanservice scenes but she doesn't have any either from what I can recall.
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Old 09-24-2019, 10:52 AM   #5
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The way IDW has drawn her is perfect. She looks reasonably attractive without going overboard with it, and she looks like a regular girl. She doesn't have any "fanservice" shots making it look like she's used for sex appeal, and she's written as any other character in the book.

IDW has treated its female characters really well. Angel is another character they could have used for fanservice scenes but she doesn't have any either from what I can recall.
Fanservice? Is fan service code for sexy? I thought fan service meant being true to source, not sex appeal.
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Old 09-24-2019, 11:02 AM   #6
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Fanservice? Is fan service code for sexy? I thought fan service meant being true to source, not sex appeal.
The term fanservice is derived from fictional characters, usually anime or manga, being put in situations or outfits that could be deemed sexual or erotic and serve no other purposes to whatever the overall story may be.
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The term fanservice is derived from fictional characters, usually anime or manga, being put in situations or outfits that could be deemed sexual or erotic and serve no other purposes to whatever the overall story may be.
Oh really? Iíve heard it used in relation to the Marvel films, where it seemed to indicate just giving the fans what they want. But fan service, that means like, fan SERVICE. Like sexual service?
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Oh really? I’ve heard it used in relation to the Marvel films, where it seemed to indicate just giving the fans what they want. But fan service, that means like, fan SERVICE. Like sexual service?
In a broader sense it can mean anything that could be added to please the supposed audience (cool mecha, big explosions, battle scenes or to a lesser extent in-jokes, easter eggs or subtle (or not-so-subtle) references to earlier versions/ iterations of the work in question, but the origins come from the anime and manga of the 1980's when it started becoming way more popular in the west.
To be fair you could count things like cheerleaders at a basketball game as one form of fan service (skimpy/ enticing outfits) and fan-favourite characters returning to series after long hiatus as another form (for long term fans for example). Both are used to appeal to different kinds of audiences.
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In a broader sense it can mean anything that could be added to please the supposed audience (cool mecha, big explosions, battle scenes or to a lesser extent in-jokes, easter eggs or subtle (or not-so-subtle) references to earlier versions/ iterations of the work in question, but the origins come from the anime and manga of the 1980's when it started becoming way more popular in the west.
To be fair you could count things like cheerleaders at a basketball game as one form of fan service (skimpy/ enticing outfits) and fan-favourite characters returning to series after long hiatus as another form (for long term fans for example). Both are used to appeal to different kinds of audiences.

Okay, that was my understanding of it, the broader sense.
Still, April in the OT was conventionally attractive, in the Barron film called a babe, Donnie has a crush in 2012 etc.

But is April not just a Plain Jane? Somebody who is a friend to the turtles? Or should she be more, is there a sexual side that is a must?
For my two cents, 2k3 April, had a very masculine look and feel, not sexy in anyway, and as a result, I found her far less interesting.
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Old 09-24-2019, 06:46 PM   #10
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Honestly, I'm okay with her being sexualized, but to a limit. I understand that sex sells and, as much as people dislike it, it is an industry standard. On a personal level, I don't really wanna see sexual fan service, because I personally do not care for it and it seems rediculous at times, but that's the thing. Because I don't care for it, why must others suffer? So from a marketing standpoint, I am quite okay with it. However, it still must be kept to a limit. An variant occasional cover that doesn't affect the plot? Okay. Maybe a single panel in a comic? Okay. But if it's shoved in my face the whole time, then I may feel a little uncomfortable. Now that I think on it, yes, IDW is great with handling this.

TL;DR: I don't care for labor, it's not a make or break thing for me, but I'm also not against it in moderation, because I do understand that sometimes sex is necessary for sales.
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Honestly, I'm okay with her being sexualized, but to a limit. Now that I think on it, yes, IDW is great with handling this.

TL;DR: I don't care for labor, it's not a make or break thing for me, but I'm also not against it in moderation, because I do understand that sometimes sex is necessary for sales.

Very resrpectful response. Can I ask what makes you uncomfortable, and what is too sexy? I mentioned before that the new Neca figure looks very, unattractive, to the point of being almost ugly, and Iím thinking that was done on purpose.

IDW April isnít what you might consider traditionally sexy, sheís very average (not that average isnít sexy to some people) and thatís what Iím wondering, are people happier with a more plain looking female lead now, compared with the more buxom babes of the 80ís.
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Eh yo these guys jack off to comic books!
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Eh yo these guys jack off to comic books!
What, you donít?
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Only to Crossed.














Why's everyone staring at me and slowly backing away all of a sudden?

(It's a joke, obviously... )
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Only to Crossed.

Why's everyone staring at me and slowly backing away all of a sudden?
We’re not backing away. We’re getting closer.
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Weíre not backing away. Weíre getting closer.
That's even worse. And what's with the weird laughter and that rash on your face all of a sudden?
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That's even worse. And what's with the weird laughter and that rash on your face all of a sudden?
Youíll find out soon enough!
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When you google her, porn is almost exclusively what shows up.
I mean that's going to happen when a porn actress decides to use that name for herself.
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I mean that's going to happen when a porn actress decides to use that name for herself.
Yeah, but The Hentai outnumbers the normal three to one.
Specifically the 80ís version and the 2012 version. All other versions have been forgotten or ignored
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Very resrpectful response. Can I ask what makes you uncomfortable, and what is too sexy? I mentioned before that the new Neca figure looks very, unattractive, to the point of being almost ugly, and I’m thinking that was done on purpose.

IDW April isn’t what you might consider traditionally sexy, she’s very average (not that average isn’t sexy to some people) and that’s what I’m wondering, are people happier with a more plain looking female lead now, compared with the more buxom babes of the 80’s.
I think what makes me uncomfortable is female characters being treated purely as eye candy. Some eye candy, okay, I'll live with it. But, for example, a comic that left me in great disgust was the Dynamite run of Voltron comics. The female characters were never allowed, not for a single panel, to just exist. If they were present in any capacity, the framework HAD to be focused on their rears of chests. I'm okay with volutious characters with lots of skin showing just existing. I'm okay when every now and then gettings a chest/butt shot. I'm okay with sexual, flirtatious/seductive characters. But when the entire comic, especially one that is not meant to be about sexy women, focuses purely on this for zero logical reason...I gotta roll my eyes just a bit. Feels a little bit like objectification.
Oh, and I guess, in the context of say, TMNT, I probably would be mildly uncomfortable if a normally fully clothed character is suddenly almost naked for no reason other than fanfare. Now that, my friend, would be a huge WTF for me.
I, as a woman, have no problem with sexy women. The problem is simply when sexualization ALL there is to a character or even comic.

Also, far as April being ugly in some instances, I mean yeah, my comic sales argument, but also, how often are men allowed to be drawn ugly? So on things like that, I gotta throw up my hands and say y'know, let the artists do whatever. They wanna draw their ladies hot for that male audience? Okay. I mean, if it was a bunch of hot guys, I'd probably fall for the same trap. They wanna make their ladies ugly to mix things up? Okay. Sure. Got plenty of ugly men. Just let the artists draw.

Edit: Realized I may wanna clarify my wording. While this is mainly about women, honestly, I would be bothered if men were treated the same way too. Characters and storylines first, erotica second. Just used the "hot guys" thing as an example to defend comic artists trying to get that revenue with eye candy.
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