DC Relaunching AGAIN

[MikeandRaph87]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

As of today's Batman books, Tim Drake has come out as bisexual and is now dating a boy.

Um,why? Is it because its hard for him to stand out among the Robins and' it's cool to prefer something outside of the normal romantic attractions' hivemind mentality?

[CyberCubed]

So Tim is going to be the, "gay Robin" now.

Its pretty obvious they have to set him apart more now that there's so many Robin's, and you need at least one gay one. This is probably also going to be canon in any future incarnation as well, in other shows, movies and cartoons too.

[sdp]

He's bisexual and technically every Robin has been bisexual since Batman has always slept with Robins and batgirls in canon.



Plus Tim Drake is still straight and he loves Stephanie Brown, he's just experimenting because he's emo but he's always been emo.





To the batfamily seing Dick and I don't mean Grayson is literally part of their everyday life, Bruce literally walks naked in the batcave and this is canon

[ZariusTwo]

Damien is quite popular amongst yaoi fanboys due to his relationship with Jon.

[oldmanwinters]

My first introduction to Tim Drake was in the "Robin III" six-issue bi-weekly [snicker] mini-series "Cry of the Huntress." Along with the "Reign of the Superman" arc, it was one of the few sets of books I ever collected from the main-continuity DC/Marvel universes. I didn't know it at the time, but that series was also the re-introduction of Huntress to the DC continuity. I wasn't even sure at the time why it was called "Robin III," and I don't think I knew there was any other Robin than Dick Grayson. So the that mini-series will always have a special place in my heart. I don't remember if Tim was shown to be crushing on Helena much... I certainly was, but I'll have to go back and give it a look.

"A Lonely Place of Dying" is a great story-arc/TPB to track down, as well as the "Flying Solo" TPB which served as the launching point for his own monthly series in the wake of Knightfall.

[MikeandRaph87]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

James Tynion has left DC for Substack, he'll depart Batman in November and Joker next April

https://bleedingcool.com/comics/jame...ck-comics-gig/

I don't understand why someone would walk away from Batman and could have wrote the main title for 3 years. Too many useless new characters and can't say I am on board with what he has produced. Its just as a person to leave Batman to do your own creative stuff that no one will read. Can Tomasi finish what he started in Detective Comics on Batman since that made that diverse creep Tamaki the writer of Detective Comics suddenly?

[Andrew NDB]

Jeeze. The writers at DC can't even write well enough to make a Robin stand out anymore than by going LGBTQ? Sad.

I showed the article to Chuck Dixon today and he basically gagged.

[CyberCubed]

That's kinda what happens when you have 4 Robin's (former) all alive at the same time with the same hair color and only a few years apart. After awhile their individual character traits get indistinguishable and the writers start writing them all the same.

[sdp]

Yeah, the problem is over the decades they've added new members to the bat family, and at first things were fine but when they retcon every 15 years that no "bruce is still 35" it just has become silly. If Bruce were 60 that would make sense but now you have so many characters that even Apu has less children than Batman and they all were supposed to happen in 10 years timeframe and because of that none of them are allowed to evolve since it would mess up the new timeline. Making him gay is like one way they can make him different from the 40 other Robins.

gay Tim is something people have been wanting since the Young Justice days with him and superboy for whatever reason so at least there's some fan movement that's been going on for decades that wanted this to happen.

It is funny seeing all the bigots who think it's Dick Grayson who is the one who is gay since most clickbait headlines are "DC made Batman's partner Robin gay". It's also ironic how the comics industry was once almost shut down because people thought robin was gay so they gave him a girlfriend. Life is funny, especially those who take it so seriously when it comes to a literal drawing that doesn't exist.

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by oldmanwinters

My first introduction to Tim Drake was in the "Robin III" six-issue bi-weekly [snicker] mini-series "Cry of the Huntress." Along with the "Reign of the Superman" arc, it was one of the few sets of books I ever collected from the main-continuity DC/Marvel universes. I didn't know it at the time, but that series was also the re-introduction of Huntress to the DC continuity. I wasn't even sure at the time why it was called "Robin III," and I don't think I knew there was any other Robin than Dick Grayson. So the that mini-series will always have a special place in my heart. I don't remember if Tim was shown to be crushing on Helena much... I certainly was, but I'll have to go back and give it a look.

"A Lonely Place of Dying" is a great story-arc/TPB to track down, as well as the "Flying Solo" TPB which served as the launching point for his own monthly series in the wake of Knightfall.

It was actually called "Robin III" because it was the third Robin mini-series featuring Tim. It actually had nothing to do with Tim Drake being the third Robin.

As a kid I got on board with the Batman books when the "Year Three" story was on the newsstands. The "Lonely Place of Dying" story was right after that and it was great. I remember it took me years to track down the Teen Titans crossover issue....

I thought Tim Drake was a great Robin at the time.

[oldmanwinters]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

I showed the article to Chuck Dixon today and he basically gagged.

Dixon's run on the Bat-books might just be my favorite era for the Bat-books.

Originally Posted by IMJ

It was actually called "Robin III" because it was the third Robin mini-series featuring Tim. It actually had nothing to do with Tim Drake being the third Robin.

Haha, that actually was my first thought ("I should track down the previous two Robin series!"), but without the advantage of reference magazines or the internet for back-issues, I started to think maybe it was a reference to him being the "Third Robin." Then once I got a chance to visit some comic book stores and search the back-issue bins, I discovered "Joker's Wild." Tim Drake had some great books back in the 1990s. I dare say, he was the first Robin to be embraced as his own character by fans, rather than being an ever-present supporting character to Batman. Dick Grayson probably made his mark as "Nightwing" with the New Titans, but Tim was the comic-book Robin for a whole generation of kids like me.

[ZariusTwo]

So while Tynion's final big Bat story Fear State is going on, he'll be blowing the lid on DC and 5G in a series of tell-all articles over on Substack every Wednesday

https://bleedingcool.com/comics/jame...g-on-substack/

[Leo656]

So I looked up who the writer was on this latest Tim Drake development, and surprise surprise, it's a chick.

I'm sorry, but I cannot help but take notice of how 99.9% of the time when this sort of thing comes up nowadays, it's always a female writer. They're often queer themselves, although I didn't bother to check into whether or not this Meghan Fitzmartin person is.

It's just very "interesting" that for years and years, women have been crying out for more opportunities as writers, producers, what have you, more input into the creative process... and then when they have it, they spend most of their time turning everything gay. I'm not sure WHY that is, but I can't be the only one who notices it. But interjecting LGBTQ+ themes and characters into works of fiction is definitely a predominantly-female thing; men generally do not do this, or at least nowhere near as often as women do.

I can't help but wonder, but what is it with females' fascination on everyone being gay? Were they always like this, or was it just something that started happening with the internet? It's almost like that South Park episode about Japanese fangirls shipping Craig and Tweek, except now it ended up coming true in real life.

One gets the impression that it borders on obsession with females, or at least females who have a voice and a position of power in the creative process. Give a woman a pen, and you're either going to see an abundance of gay characters and/or formerly straight characters "coming out" in whatever they end up writing.

I sometimes wonder if there's any solid credence to the lost-posited theory that all women are at least inherently bi-curious, if not fully bisexual, and if that has anything to do with it. Like "trying to create a world through fiction in which they could better see themselves as they really are," or whatever.

I'unno, it's weird.

EDIT: A bunch of articles about the Tim Drake thing showed up in my newsfeed today - as you'd expect, all of them gushing about how awesome, groundbreaking, "important" and long overdue it is. So anyways, except for one article that was written by a gay guy, ALL the other articles I looked at turned out to be written by women. And the gay guy was positively subdued in his praise of the story compared to the female "journalists", some of whom were hyperbolically enthusiastic about it like it was the biggest thing to happen in comics in years. One of them was like "We need a Gay Robin TV show Right Now!" Like yeah, nah, definitely not. But my point is, once again it seems like this is a bigger deal to chicks than to anyone else.

So again, I ask: WHAT is it with chicks wanting everything to be gay and making a big huge deal about it? I'm seriously asking.

[MikeandRaph87]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

So while Tynion's final big Bat story Fear State is going on, he'll be blowing the lid on DC and 5G in a series of tell-all articles over on Substack every Wednesday

https://bleedingcool.com/comics/jame...g-on-substack/

So he is just pissed off at DC and saw an opportunity so he took it? I thought DC loved the guy and he had surprise success that it had embraced. I mean if he wants to bad mouth Dan Didio I am for that.

[MikeandRaph87]

I got to where I have been getting runs filled out from Ebay purchases with comics being so subpar. The late Silver Age and Bronze Age is definitely peak. I don't typically read Superman outside of Justice League but this storyarc stood out to me.

[sdp]

Originally Posted by Leo656

So I looked up who the writer was on this latest Tim Drake development, and surprise surprise, it's a chick.

don't be fooled by girl names, I learned to double check now because sometimes you have trans women and you think it was a real woman making those decisions when it wasn't and it isn't fair.

[MikeandRaph87]

We know that from what IDW is currently allowing the TMNT title to suffer through. It also is like how the director of the Loki mini-series felt that Loki needed to be relatable to her so it was important to insert the unnecessary throw away line about being romantically involved with princes as well as princesses. It doesn't fit the character. It is only a minority person screaming for attention forcing headlines taking away from an actual story.


This is my other purchase. It completes my Batman#510-552 run.

[Leo656]

Yeah but WHY, is the thing. WHY is it so important to chicks that everything comes with "Now 65% More Gay Flavor"? That's what I don't get but there's gotta be a reason.

[ZariusTwo]

I saw Batman '89#1 was also getting heaps of praise from sites like Polygon....because it focused a lot on black communities. Incidentally, Keaton's Batman barely gets to do much and Harvey gets the lions share of the focus. A black Robin is also introduced who defends a looter.

[CyberCubed]

Basically the way for writers to succeed at comics these days:

1. Make a character gay

2. Make a character transgender

3. Focus on minorities in a major role (black, hispanic, Asian or Indian, etc)

4. Deal with social inequality or homophobia or race issues

etc.

It's basically the 4 keys to success these days. No wonder almost every comic and TV show writer is chasing this.