DC Relaunching AGAIN

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

Anybody else read Batman Damned #1?

A little less straightforward than I was hoping for, but man, that is some gorgeous art...

Yeah, pretty lenghthy story there. Batman didn't get shafted in this issue. He was done dicking around, hung in there and was thrust into action.

[MikeandRaph87]

So it was KG Beast out of costume that was the shooter. I thought he was killed off with Arnold Wesker and nobody one-shots Orca and Magpie in Face The Face? Also, being out of costume he was not recognizable. KG Beast always was one with the highest untapped potential. So shooting Dick is Bane's contract to take down the light in Batman's drkness. Dick Grayson was the highlight of the issue so if Tom King will not have Dick Grayson guest star again is a true letdown. This injury vs Scarecrow should be isolated to one arc.

[ZariusTwo]

Another penis on the horizon...as Manhattan is finally appearing in Doomsday Clock tomorrow.

https://www.bleedingcool.com/2018/09...a-penis-in-it/

[ZariusTwo]

Heroes In Crisis#1

Spoiler:

Yep, so long Wally and Roy.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Well damn. Tom King continues his massacre of Booster Gold's character, doesn't he?

[Leo656]

I haven't been keeping up, and I don't know if I've read any of King's work. Does he simply hate Booster, or...?

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by Leo656

I haven't been keeping up, and I don't know if I've read any of King's work. Does he simply hate Booster, or...?

As a former CIA man, Tom King likes to write dark'n'gritty stuff based on his life experiences (I assume). He did Grayson (aka Nightwing becomes James Bond), Vision for Marvel, an indie thing called Sheriff of Babylon, and Mister Miracle... as well as the current ongoing Batman.

A varied offering, and not a one has really worked for me.

Does a lot of out of character stuff, IMO, and also never, ever, EVER gives a satisfactory conclusion to a story. It always takes weird turns, lots of monologues, lots of undelivered action.

[Leo656]

Sounds meh. You know me, I like a good "gritty" tale when I can get one, but Wally and Booster are two of my favorites, so... yeah, I doubt I'd like this guy's work.

Shame. With all the hate this book's been getting based on the previews, I was hoping that it might be something I'd like. I'll wait until it hits the dollar bins.

[MikeandRaph87]

I enjoyed the two issues which Dick Grayson guest starred in the Batman title, but I am not invested after the mandated end of #50 and #55. I doubt #100 will wrap things up the way I prefer.

Spoiler:

Crisis is in the title so something has to happen to a Flash. I was viewing it as something more in vain of Identity Crisis, but the real Wally West is declared dead. Why not allow fake Wally West to be fodder sacrifice after going to the trouble of bringing him back with great demand. Fans want Wally not Bland Barry! What has DC added to Barry and Flash mythos with his retutn? Hal was reintroduced with a successfil mythos expansion, but Barry not so much. Sucks to be a Titian this month. So how long before the real Wally West is restored?

[Leo656]

I'm guessing that very few of the people responsible for writing Wally's epic run from 1986-2008 are handling anything at DC right now, and the folks who are most likely skipped that whole entire era when they were readers.

Ever since 2003 or so, there's been a weird push at DC to gradually wipe away and minimize anything that happened post-Crisis, and restore the status quo of the Silver Age - despite the post-Crisis era being objectively way better than anything previous, up until somewhere around 1996 or so when everything started losing focus. As discussed, Geoff Johns probably does it the most, but it's been pretty persistent across the line: Between costume changes and swapping Kyle and Wally for Hal and Barry, or repeatedly trying to wipe out Byrne's Superman origins and replace it with the Silver Age version, despite the numerous problems and inconsistencies that brings, it's like a lot of the writers and editors at DC want to only play with the DCU they watched when they were kids in the 1970s. They have no affection for anything Post-Crisis, because in their eyes Crisis was a bad thing that "ruined" the DCU instead of fixing it, so anything established after 1986 either isn't important or has to be removed. They grew up on Barry and Hal, so guys like Wally and Kyle can get f*cked, for all they care.

Nobody who grew up reading Wally West's Flash would treat the character as badly as he's been treated for the last decade or so. He was the most successful "sidekick" in comic book history, the only one who went on to surpass his mentor and predecessor in every possible way. But you wouldn't know he's important at all, if you've only been reading for the last few years. Shameful.

[ZariusTwo]

We're getting some answers as to what happened to the Justice Society in Doomsday Clock this week

Spoiler:

Manhattan ensured they weren't formed by changing history so that Alan Scott never discovered his power battery and died in a train crash

[MikeandRaph87]

https://comicbook.com/dc/amp/2018/09...fan-reactions/

Backflash!

A pun not a typo.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by MikeandRaph87

https://comicbook.com/dc/amp/2018/09...fan-reactions/

Backflash!

A pun not a typo.

People angry over beloved characters killed off by cynical editors and shock-value writing?

Geddouttahere.

[MikeandRaph87]

I know you are being sarcastic and a lot of times it fanboys in an echo chamber I have been there. Personally, I couldnt careless and even welcome Harper's death, but to treat the greatest success story of character development in the company's history?

[MikeandRaph87]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/screenr...th-return/amp/

When does Heroes In Crisis happen? It seems the events are already over by the time of Doomsday Clock.

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by MikeandRaph87

https://www.google.com/amp/s/screenr...th-return/amp/

When does Heroes In Crisis happen? It seems the events are already over by the time of Doomsday Clock.

Doomsday Clock is set a year after everything else, but in that event, superheroes are widely distrusted and normal people only have faith in Superman.

[MikeandRaph87]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

Doomsday Clock is set a year after everything else, but in that event, superheroes are widely distrusted and normal people only have faith in Superman.

This makes it increasingly odd having the Watchmen mystery tied to Rebirth get released ahead of Heroes In Crisis. Especially if Johns was able to meet the original monthly release schedule. Heroes In Crisis should have started back in November and whatever clutter was in the current Flash title for the interim could have been condensed to make way for Flash War and then release Doomsday Clock after Heroes In Crisis finished.

Spoiler:

Usually I don't care about this,but this one is pretty good to say the least.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOYloEFEEvs

[Leo656]

I don't think DC has had an "event book" like Doomsday Clock come out on time since... ever.

Since I'm not picking up too many books right now, I'm just reading Doomsday Clock as its own story and not worrying where it fits in with DC's completely broken timeline, anyway. So far it's one of the best things I've read in ages. I don't care where it "fits"; it's more important that it's really, really good.

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by Leo656

Since I'm not picking up too many books right now, I'm just reading Doomsday Clock as its own story and not worrying where it fits in with DC's completely broken timeline, anyway. So far it's one of the best things I've read in ages. I don't care where it "fits"; it's more important that it's really, really good.

Glad you're enjoying it. Superman fans have been complaining about the slow burn it's been taking and using minimal Clark, but now that Manhattan's shown up and Supes factors into his visions, it's bound to pick up in that regard now.

[MikeandRaph87]

Originally Posted by Leo656

I don't think DC has had an "event book" like Doomsday Clock come out on time since... ever.

Since I'm not picking up too many books right now, I'm just reading Doomsday Clock as its own story and not worrying where it fits in with DC's completely broken timeline, anyway. So far it's one of the best things I've read in ages. I don't care where it "fits"; it's more important that it's really, really good.

What did you think of the preview of Grant Morrision's The Green Lantern? Oa was memtioned in dialogue so I guess that is back. That is good. Art is not bad, but the art has been consistent in style even if it was not Van Sciver or Reis so it will take some getting used to.

I am only getting two other books from DC and switching from Batman to Detective for an arc aside from Doomsday Clock. I was mainly curious because I would like to have Wally West back, the real one. As much ofba Bronze Age shipper that I am, Wally West becoming The Flash was one of the best developments in comics.