Have you accepted the show probably won't continue after season 5?

[neatoman]

So the ratings for City at War were lower than the ratings of Eath's Last Stand, since show's been back for four weeks now each successive episode have dropped in the ratings and the last episode was a new low for the series. It's important to note that the ratings had pretty much flatlined at around 1.5 average a pretty long time ago and only now has a steady drop come, it may or may not rise slightly or it might drop further but the point is that the ratings stopped being decent long before City at War.

While some may try to defend the possibility of more seasons by claiming that the show is on iTunes or that toy sales is a bigger source of funding that TV ads, we really don't have the statistics to confirm these are in fact able to keep the show afloat for more seasons. I must also stress that if a sixth season is going to happen it would mostly likely have been confirmed two months ago or more, which it wasn't.

[Vicky82]

Ciro has always planned the series was going to end at season 5, it's got nothing to do with ratings.

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by Vicky82

Ciro has always planned the series was going to end at season 5, it's got nothing to do with ratings.

He said he needed at least 5 to really tell the story he wanted to tell. But he's always said it could go on for much longer.

I'm fine with it ending though. It's been a good run. Just hope it doesn't affect IDW... issue 100 is currently projected for like December 2019

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

Just hope it doesn't affect IDW...

IDW was doing just fine before the Nick show came out. I don't see that changing if it's gone.

[ToTheNines]

@Andrew

I don't expect sales to be comprised by anything Nick does with the show. I just meant corporate meddling. I could say them saying "well the Bay movies sucked, and our cartoon is toast... Let's mothball this crap for a few years and bring them back as wizards once Harry Potter is cool again". Or something equally insipid. Or worse.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

@Andrew

I don't expect sales to be comprised by anything Nick does with the show. I just meant corporate meddling. I could say them saying "well the Bay movies sucked, and our cartoon is toast... Let's mothball this crap for a few years and bring them back as wizards once Harry Potter is cool again". Or something equally insipid. Or worse.

I could see that happening. Freezing all existing deals. Pause. Do-over.

[CyberCubed]

It would be kind of ironic if the highly successful Nick cartoon turned out to be the shortest lived TMNT cartoon out there, wouldn't it?

2k3 series made 156 episodes and a movie. If the Nick cartoon can't even break 150 episodes then it might as well be a failure.

[Vicky82]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

He said he needed at least 5 to really tell the story he wanted to tell. But he's always said it could go on for much longer.

I'm fine with it ending though. It's been a good run. Just hope it doesn't affect IDW... issue 100 is currently projected for like December 2019

No I doubt it will effect IDW, Nick will probably have a new TMNT show by 2019.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by Vicky82

No I doubt it will effect IDW, Nick will probably have a new TMNT show by 2019.

That makes even less sense. Nick wouldn't cancel a cartoon just to make another one immediately after.

[Vicky82]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

That makes even less sense. Nick wouldn't cancel a cartoon just to make another one immediately after.

Err what about Cartoon Network with Teen Titans and then that ended and they had Teen Titans Go later.

Nick could still do it, they could bring in a new crew members in to make a different version. TMNT will stay with Nick for a long time unless Viacom ends up selling TMNT or Nick.

[IndigoErth]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

That makes even less sense. Nick wouldn't cancel a cartoon just to make another one immediately after.

Unless instead of actually ending it they decided to upgrade the characters to an older model (and themes) and continue as a second related series...?

(And maybe that one could take more cues from 2003, while this one took from '87. Do it, Nick, really. )

[Vegita-San]

Originally Posted by Vicky82

No I doubt it will effect IDW, Nick will probably have a new TMNT show by 2019.

I hope they get someone with a clearer vision on what they want the show to be. i'm not even really sure what this 'story' is they are trying to tell. i don't think they know either.

These 4 new episodes then super long breaks don't help it either.


I personally can't wait to see this show end, and something with a little more substance begin. The 4 kids series spoiled me as to what we could get if done right.

If you want to go all dark, go all dark with a little humor. it worked for B:TAS, it could work for tmnt. Personally, I think it's time for something like that, more in vein of the first tmnt movie.

But it needs to focus on just Shredder, the Turtles and the foot. Forget Krang, forget the 80s FW series. add in a few elements of the 4kids series this time around.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by Vegita-San

I hope they get someone with a clearer vision on what they want the show to be. i'm not even really sure what this 'story' is they are trying to tell. i don't think they know either.
.

The same thing any other TMNT series story is trying to "tell." Aside from Shredder being the main villain, the Turtles just go on lots of adventures fighting other human enemies, mutants or aliens.

Same as any other Turtle series over the last 30 years. What story is any other TMNT universe trying to tell? After the Shredder/Foot, its the same thing.

[Kendamu]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

He said he needed at least 5 to really tell the story he wanted to tell. But he's always said it could go on for much longer.

I'm fine with it ending though. It's been a good run. Just hope it doesn't affect IDW... issue 100 is currently projected for like December 2019

At PowerCon 2013, he said he needed three seasons minimum to tell his story, but would really love to tell it through five seasons. Maybe he changed his mind over time?

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

He said he needed at least 5 to really tell the story he wanted to tell. But he's always said it could go on for much longer.

I kind of doubt the whole "I wanted five seasons from the start" thing is actually true, most cartoons don't really last much longer than two seasons, three is considered lucky. Considering how there are a lot of unecessary episodes that have nothing to do with the story or slows down the story, I suspect one of three possibilities:

1. There was a plan but it was really only for two or three seasons, Nickelodeon just demanded more seasons that the plan was made for.
2. There really was a desire for five seasons from the start, the plan was just more of a vague outline with few details.
3. There was always a five season plan, it's just that interference from Nickelodeon and Playmates caused drastic changes.

[victory_angel]

Originally Posted by neatoman

I kind of doubt the whole "I wanted five seasons from the start" thing is actually true, most cartoons don't really last much longer than two seasons, three is considered lucky. Considering how there are a lot of unecessary episodes that have nothing to do with the story or slows down the story, I suspect one of three possibilities:

1. There was a plan but it was really only for two or three seasons, Nickelodeon just demanded more seasons that the plan was made for.
2. There really was a desire for five seasons from the start, the plan was just more of a vague outline with few details.
3. There was always a five season plan, it's just that interference from Nickelodeon and Playmates caused drastic changes.

They also could be holding any production news due to the medical treatment that Rob Paulsen was undergoing last year.

As a company Nick would want to be sure where things were with the actor before moving forward in the production of future seasons.

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by victory_angel

They also could be holding any production news due to the medical treatment that Rob Paulsen was undergoing last year.

As a company Nick would want to be sure where things were with the actor before moving forward in the production of future seasons.

That doesn't really have anything do with me questioning wheter or not there was an actual plan for five seasons, but whatever.

As for what you are saying, I'm not so sure Nickelodeon considers Rob Paulsen that important for the show.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Originally Posted by neatoman

I kind of doubt the whole "I wanted five seasons from the start" thing is actually true, most cartoons don't really last much longer than two seasons, three is considered lucky. Considering how there are a lot of unecessary episodes that have nothing to do with the story or slows down the story, I suspect one of three possibilities:

1. There was a plan but it was really only for two or three seasons, Nickelodeon just demanded more seasons that the plan was made for.
2. There really was a desire for five seasons from the start, the plan was just more of a vague outline with few details.
3. There was always a five season plan, it's just that interference from Nickelodeon and Playmates caused drastic changes.

I guess Nickeloedeon wanted it to run long enough to accompany the 2014 and 2016 films at least.

[johnbond87]

Im assuming you all have heard by now, or don't care anymore, that season 5 has been confirmed to be the last season and that Nick will be making a 2d animated tmnt reboot series to premiere in 2018. Although I am excited for a 2d animated series they say its geared toward a younger audience and focused on humor. Could be interesting but it could also be too kiddy for some of the older fans. We shall see

[CyberCubed]

You think this thread is a bit premature, neatoman? I don't know why you have an obsession with this show being canceled, since you've been going on about it for at least a year now.

In any case, stop bringing up ratings and itunes sales. There's a lot that goes on behind the scenes in addition to merch and revenue that can prolong or end a show. We have no idea how much money Nick is making on TMNT as none of us are insiders.

I still fully expect the show to hit at least 7 seasons and I see no reason to think otherwise. Nick's not going to throw away the only major thing they make money on since with IDW they have to share the profits with the comics.

We all know this good and well.