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12-02-2014, 10:39 AM | #1 | ||||
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So how much of TMNT does Viacom/Nickelodeon/Paramount actually have control over?
So the whole thread about Nicktoons starting to air the 2003 show had some interesting posts, someone said Nick does not actually own the 1987 cartoon. Which lead me to consult Wikipedia, this is what Wikipedia had to say about it:
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12-02-2014, 11:32 AM | #2 |
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The first movie and The Next Mutation are on Netflix. However, Viacom and Netflix don't do business anymore. All that being said, it's unlikely Viacom has control over the movies and The Next Mutation. Since Viacom owns the source material, I doubt they have to worry about copyright infringement regarding the Turtles.
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12-02-2014, 11:32 AM | #3 |
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Ciro said that he has a list of characters he can use, and it's a big list.
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12-02-2014, 11:36 AM | #4 |
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I wonder if that List includes all the characters from the Archie comic as well.
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12-02-2014, 12:07 PM | #5 |
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I'm pretty sure he also suspected the majority were just rejected toy designs.
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12-02-2014, 02:00 PM | #6 |
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Viacom owns:
- The Mirage comics (including Image) - Archie TMNT Adventures comics - 4kids TMNT cartoon - Most if not 90% of TMNT characters in all universes - The new stuff like the Nick cartoon, IDW comics, and movie obviously They don't own the original cartoon, movies or next mutation. |
12-02-2014, 06:35 PM | #7 |
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I edited that info on Wikipedia, and I can verify it's all true, at least to the best of my understanding. Note that I used sources for most of it (the thing about CBS having had the syndication rights to the 1987 series lacks a citation, and was not added by me FYI).
I think the only characters to originate in TMNT media (besides crossover characters like Pterano-Man, the Conservation Corps., and Virago from Savage Dragon) that Viacom might not own are: Keno, Prof. Jordan Perry, Chief Sterns and Tatsu (Northshore Investments used to own them, and I can't find any information to suggest that that's changed. Northshore might not exist anymore, so maybe Golden Harvest owns them now.). Headrush from Paul Castiglia's TMNT Adventures Special. Some of the characters from Steve Sullivan & Brian Thomas's TMNT Adventures stories. The characters from Don Simpson's two "Alternate Turtles" short stories Lucindra and her brother Malcolm, and other related but unnamed characters in TMNT v1 #44. Bloodsucker, Old Man River, Gabby and the other characters from Rick Veitch's TMNT stories. Aska from the Tournament Fighters game. Also, I don't think they own Sisyphus, either. All the characters from the TMNT RPGs (they're owned by Pallidium's Kevin Siembieda). Von Clutch and Darlin' (owned by Peter Laird's company Funatix!). The characters from the TMNT short story by Fred Hembeck that was included in a reprint of TMNT vol. 1 #2. The characters from all the stories in the original Turtle Soup one-shot (except the stories by Steve Bissette and Eric Talbot). Maybe the characters from Dave Garcia's zombie story in Turtle Soup vol. 2 #2. Some notes: Although Viacom does not own the Next Mutation episodes, they DO own every character introduced in that series (unless you count the Power Rangers in the NM/PRiS crossover). AFAIK, Viacom owns every single character from the 1987 TV series, except for Usagi, who, naturally, belongs to Stan Sakai. Last edited by John Pannozzi; 07-06-2016 at 12:41 PM. |
12-02-2014, 07:51 PM | #8 |
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12-02-2014, 08:03 PM | #9 |
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Good to know, as I'm dying to see the villains get rebooted in IDW or something.
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12-03-2014, 07:45 AM | #10 |
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So where do things stand regarding music? The Nick toon is certainly referencing the original theme song as much as it can--I assume its under license from Fred Wolf?
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12-03-2014, 08:57 AM | #11 |
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I'm not a music guy and I don't know where the copyright for the music is, but is the intro similar enough to the original song for a lincense to be needed? Is it just me, or does the tones sound off even where it tries to sound the same?
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12-03-2014, 10:51 AM | #12 | |
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OT theme: C-major (full note) | E♭-major (full note) | F-major (half note) F-minor (half note) | C-minor (full note) Nick theme: C-minor (full note) | E♭-major (full note) | F-major (half note) F-minor (half note) | C-minor (full note) In short, only the first chord is different. Also, C-major and C-minor only has one key difference, ie. E note changed to E♭ note. As for the melody, the pacing is similar but the notes are quite different. OT theme: G A G A G A G A | B♭ C B♭ C B♭ C B♭ C | E♭ F E♭ F E♭ F E♭ F | C C C C B♭ C (rest) C C C C Nick theme: E♭ E♭ D D E♭ E♭ C C | E♭ E♭ D D E♭ E♭ C C | E♭ E♭ D D E♭ E♭ F E♭ | C C C C B♭ C (rest) C C C C Lyrics: Teen-age Mu-tant Nin-ja Tur-tles | Teen-age Mu-tant Nin-ja Tur-tles | Teen-age Mu-tant Nin-ja Tur-tles | He-roes in a half shell (rest) tur-tle po-wer In short, only the last phrase (heroes in a half shell, turtle power) is exactly the same. So when you feel that "the tones sound off even where it tries to sound the same" it's basically due to the Nick theme melody being combined with the same pacing and (almost) the same chord sequence as the OT theme. You're definitely not the only one who felt that |
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Fred Wolf Films owns all the music from the 1987 series AFAIK.
I should note that the original music from Next Mutation now belongs to Bug Music: https://web.archive.org/web/20110907...510fa82cf296ee Edit: and BMG owns Bug Music: http://www.americansongwriter.com/20...-sues-company/
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* Kris Mu and Dark Mu from Supermutants OVA. * Tora and Shogun Warrior from TMNT 2: The Arcade Game. * Characters from Las Tortugas Ninjas
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12-04-2014, 07:38 AM | #15 |
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So can someone tell me who owns the rights to the Konami Turtles games? Is it UbiSoft or another company?
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12-04-2014, 08:52 AM | #16 |
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It's Konami, I know this because Ubisoft needed to license Turtles in Time to do the remake, and the arcade game was removed from XBLA after Ubisoft got the rights to TMNT.
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Didn't either Tora or Shogun have an action figure? No clue on the Las Tortugas Ninjas characters, but I think characters from another comic guest-starred in it at one point.
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12-04-2014, 11:05 AM | #18 |
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I wonder if that list includes Ninjara? She appeared in the Archies Comics, But wasn't a character created by Eastman and Laird, But someone else. And she appeared in 3 issues of a comic called Furrlough, by Radio Comix after the Archie Comics were canceled.
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12-04-2014, 12:14 PM | #19 |
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Nope. You're likely thinking of Patraw's customs, unless you've mistaken Panda Khan & Lord Norinaga for those two.
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12-04-2014, 12:35 PM | #20 |
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Eeeehhhh, I think Murphy/Allan retain the rights to the character. I suspect that might have been the point of Alopex, to have Ninjara without risking a lawsuit.
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