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Old 03-09-2018, 09:04 PM   #1
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Why was James Avery replaced in Season 8 of the 1987 show?

In S8-S10 ,the "Red Sky" episodes, Shredder is voiced by William Martin instead of James Avery.

Has there ever been any official reason given as to why?
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Old 03-09-2018, 09:39 PM   #2
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I've heard that it was because of scheduling conflicts with Fresh Prince of Bel Air but that could be untrue.
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The biggest villains were the censors. What they could do without being held back is my question. Shredder could've done more than blow up the Channel Six building. I don't mean as far as murdering Splinter, but think of the possibilities if censors were not an issue. Shredder and Krang combined had the biggest arsenal of any villains in all of the cartoons.
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Old 03-10-2018, 12:33 AM   #3
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He was already gone for half of Season 7 too. His actor probably just got too busy.
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Old 03-10-2018, 09:39 AM   #4
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Season 4 took place before Fresh Prince started IIRC. That was a full 13/26 episode season with Shredder and Krang being absent in every second episode and one week entirely. That number decreased through 5-7 with more repeats, possibly because of Fresh Prince, but who knows. Jim Cummings even voiced Shredder in one episode of Season 5 and the European episodes which came later.

In short, CyberCubed is right. James Avery was too busy.
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Old 03-10-2018, 10:07 AM   #5
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who did the 89 replacement voice?

The one in episodes like metalhead and leatherhead?

doesn't quite sound like jim cummings. it's more gritty.
I didn't care for it at first, but over the years, it's grown on me.
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Old 03-10-2018, 10:46 AM   #6
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It's quite impressive how Townsend Coleman and Cam Clark never missed an episode in the series. Even Rene Jacobs missed one or two(the episodes without April)... Turtle Trek and what else?
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I've seen better.
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Old 03-10-2018, 12:14 PM   #7
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who did the 89 replacement voice?

The one in episodes like metalhead and leatherhead?

doesn't quite sound like jim cummings. it's more gritty.
I didn't care for it at first, but over the years, it's grown on me.
That was Dorian Harewood. He also filled in for War Machine in Iron Man when James Avery was unavailable.
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The biggest villains were the censors. What they could do without being held back is my question. Shredder could've done more than blow up the Channel Six building. I don't mean as far as murdering Splinter, but think of the possibilities if censors were not an issue. Shredder and Krang combined had the biggest arsenal of any villains in all of the cartoons.
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Old 03-10-2018, 01:52 PM   #8
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was that his only voice on the show? seems like he only did it for one season.
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Old 03-10-2018, 02:27 PM   #9
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Old 03-10-2018, 02:31 PM   #10
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Were the "Vacation in Europe" episodes produced at the same time as season 4? (even if they didn't air until 1992)
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Old 03-10-2018, 04:59 PM   #11
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Yes, I'm pretty sure they were produced and aired in other countries at the time of 1990, but didn't air in the states until '92 when USA Network acquired the rights to the show.
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Old 03-10-2018, 05:10 PM   #12
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Yes, I'm pretty sure they were produced and aired in other countries at the time of 1990, but didn't air in the states until '92 when USA Network acquired the rights to the show.
They first aired in some European countires during 1992. They didn't air in the USA until the autumn of 1993.

But still, they may have been produced earlier.
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Old 03-12-2018, 09:13 PM   #13
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It's quite impressive how Townsend Coleman and Cam Clark never missed an episode in the series.
That is one of the many reasons why Leonardo and Michelangelo were my two favorite turtles in the original series. Their voices never changed. The substitutes for Rob and Barry were fine, but it wasn't quite the same when they weren't there.
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Old 03-13-2018, 12:35 AM   #14
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According to the man himself, James Avery stated that his contract expired.

His work on Fresh Prince of Bel-Air, also made it difficult for him to continue his VA role as The Shredder.

Listen in at @6:14.


Hopefully the studio didn't refuse to renew his contract, but if so, it unfortunately does happen.

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A couple of radio DJ's for a rock station that I will occasionally to, have been gone for about eight years now. What happened? Their contracts simply weren't renewed, probably because the vice-president of the radio station wanted some fresh talent to bring in more early morning ratings.
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Old 03-15-2018, 05:39 PM   #15
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Avery was too busy. He had less time for TMNT due to his commitments on Fresh Prince so I'm thinking he was let go by the studio.

Can you imagine having to spend the morning going into work to shout at Krang and then in the afternoon going into to work to shout at Will Smith? Requires a lot of energy.

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Yes, I'm pretty sure they were produced and aired in other countries at the time of 1990, but didn't air in the states until '92 when USA Network acquired the rights to the show.
We didn't get those episodes in the UK until Christmas 1992.
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Old 03-15-2018, 05:42 PM   #16
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We didn't get those episodes in the UK until Christmas 1992.
They aired in Sweden over TV 1000 Sweden around November 1992 at least, but I recall catching some at Sky 1 around Christmas 1992.
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That is one of the many reasons why Leonardo and Michelangelo were my two favorite turtles in the original series. Their voices never changed. The substitutes for Rob and Barry were fine, but it wasn't quite the same when they weren't there.
Raphael's first VA replacement(Ninja Sword of Nowhere) was terrible. Raph sounded SO awkward in that episode.

I dunno what other shows Cam Clarke and Townsend Coleman were doing at the time, but I know Paulsen voiced The Mask and Mighty max in the 90s at least. And also one of the Animaniacs.

Also, Coleman was the Rat King and Cam Clarke was Rocksteady. Barry was Bebop I think. Paulsen was... Zach and Mister Ogg. Poor Rob.
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So I've watched some of April O'Neil's "videos." They were OK, the lesbian massage ones were the best ones. I skimmed through some of the others, but eh.

I've seen better.
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I dunno what other shows Cam Clarke and Townsend Coleman were doing at the time
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cam_Clarke

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Townsend_Coleman
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he either intentionally or un intentionally goes into his shredder voice twice in that clip .
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