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Old 06-16-2018, 04:15 PM   #41
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I myself remember a shot in BATMAN RETURNS that I'm sure never existed, of Catwoman finding her whip in the Schreck department store and grabbing it off a rack.
THAT'S NOT IN THE MOVIE?! Could've sworn it was.
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Old 06-17-2018, 04:58 AM   #42
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THAT'S NOT IN THE MOVIE?! Could've sworn it was.
We never see where she gets it from in the film, but that's the first scene she has it in. But I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought this shot existed.
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Old 06-17-2018, 12:34 PM   #43
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I am not sure what else they could add to make a director's cut. The only scene that I really know of is the end scene where April tries to make them into a comics, but I am glad they cut that scene out because it's too meta for my liking.

I would be interested in seeing a more darker Mikey if that exists, or just extra battle or banter scenes that didn't make the cut to extend it a bit.
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Old 06-17-2018, 03:22 PM   #44
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I am not sure what else they could add to make a director's cut. The only scene that I really know of is the end scene where April tries to make them into a comics, but I am glad they cut that scene out because it's too meta for my liking.

I would be interested in seeing a more darker Mikey if that exists, or just extra battle or banter scenes that didn't make the cut to extend it a bit.
Here's a list of most of the known deleted scenes, if this helps:

Alternate Opening: Begins on a shot of a street. A sewer lid pops open and we go down it to the door of Turtle's lair. The sewer lid shot is in the trailer and the rest of the scene is detailed in the graphic novel adaptation.

April Leaves the Station Extended: She walks by a pier. The shot pans down to the water. Shells bob up. This is scene in the trailer.

Alternate/Extended April's Mugging: As shot, Sam Rockwell and his goons are not after April's purse. The implied intentions are far darker. The line "Grad her purse! Grab her purse!" was added in post and is overlaid a quick action shot where you don't see the person saying it. The original scene is detailed in the graphic novel adaptation.

Original Casey Jones Introduction: Casey flips through television, disgruntled by all thefts and muggings in the news.

Extended Casey/Raph Fight

Extended Shredder Intro/Shredder Fights Rockwell's Goons/Alternate Speech: After Shredder approaches the gathering and the carpet is rolled, he fights the gang that attacked April earlier in the film. They were released on bail. He defeats them quickly, while sitting. Apparently, it was not a punishment, but a test. The speech he gives to the wayward teens is different and does not include the "I am your father" line. A single camera angle from the fight can be found on the Turtle Power documentary while parts of the original speech can be heard in the theatrical trailer.

Extended Apartment Fight: Leonardo fights down the stairs and into the shop. Additional clips were included in the first UK cut, including a bit where April pulls a rug under a guy's feet.

Escaping the Fire: They carry Raph into the van.

April's Monologue About Mikey: He's the only one April doesn't talk about. But she originally did. He took Splinter's loss the hardest. In one scene, Mikey obliterates a punching bag. You can only see frames of this scene in the final cut.

Extended Training: There's more focus on the training and Donatello in a cowboy hat.

Alternate Tatsu/Shinso Scene (Kinda): Off-screen coughs and the line "You're going to be okay" were added in post. Shinso was originally killed.

Eastman/Laird Cameo: They played the garbageman manning the garbage truck during the street fight.

Blood Splatter: When Shredder is crushed, there was allegedly a little bit of blood that was cut out.

Extended Ending: The publisher sequence. This was included on a German DVD. Personally, I can live without this scene being in the film. It's a little too meta.

Alternate Origins: Oroku Nagi was originally a part of Splinter's origins.

I believe the screenplay also had a scene where a couple visit the antique shop while April is showing the Turtles around. Also, one of the trading cards had Casey interacting with a well at the farm.

These are just the ones off the top of my head. I'm sure I'm missing a few.
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Old 06-17-2018, 11:03 PM   #45
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Here's a list of most of the known deleted scenes, if this helps:

Alternate Opening: Begins on a shot of a street. A sewer lid pops open and we go down it to the door of Turtle's lair. The sewer lid shot is in the trailer and the rest of the scene is detailed in the graphic novel adaptation.

April Leaves the Station Extended: She walks by a pier. The shot pans down to the water. Shells bob up. This is scene in the trailer.

Alternate/Extended April's Mugging: As shot, Sam Rockwell and his goons are not after April's purse. The implied intentions are far darker. The line "Grad her purse! Grab her purse!" was added in post and is overlaid a quick action shot where you don't see the person saying it. The original scene is detailed in the graphic novel adaptation.

Original Casey Jones Introduction: Casey flips through television, disgruntled by all thefts and muggings in the news.

Extended Casey/Raph Fight

Extended Shredder Intro/Shredder Fights Rockwell's Goons/Alternate Speech: After Shredder approaches the gathering and the carpet is rolled, he fights the gang that attacked April earlier in the film. They were released on bail. He defeats them quickly, while sitting. Apparently, it was not a punishment, but a test. The speech he gives to the wayward teens is different and does not include the "I am your father" line. A single camera angle from the fight can be found on the Turtle Power documentary while parts of the original speech can be heard in the theatrical trailer.

Extended Apartment Fight: Leonardo fights down the stairs and into the shop. Additional clips were included in the first UK cut, including a bit where April pulls a rug under a guy's feet.

Escaping the Fire: They carry Raph into the van.

April's Monologue About Mikey: He's the only one April doesn't talk about. But she originally did. He took Splinter's loss the hardest. In one scene, Mikey obliterates a punching bag. You can only see frames of this scene in the final cut.

Extended Training: There's more focus on the training and Donatello in a cowboy hat.

Alternate Tatsu/Shinso Scene (Kinda): Off-screen coughs and the line "You're going to be okay" were added in post. Shinso was originally killed.

Eastman/Laird Cameo: They played the garbageman manning the garbage truck during the street fight.

Blood Splatter: When Shredder is crushed, there was allegedly a little bit of blood that was cut out.

Extended Ending: The publisher sequence. This was included on a German DVD. Personally, I can live without this scene being in the film. It's a little too meta.

Alternate Origins: Oroku Nagi was originally a part of Splinter's origins.

I believe the screenplay also had a scene where a couple visit the antique shop while April is showing the Turtles around. Also, one of the trading cards had Casey interacting with a well at the farm.

These are just the ones off the top of my head. I'm sure I'm missing a few.
A lot of these scenes sound REALLY cool, but I think the thing I want to see the most is the Mikey stuff. I always wondered why April never discussed him and that section always felt cut short 'cos there was no mention of Mikey. Seeing a brief glimpse of him in the barn working through his grief in a physical way (working the heavy bag) seemed like a really interesting aspect to Mikey's character development.

All of those scenes sound really cool, and seems like most of them would've only made the movie more thorough (and better in my opinion).
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Old 06-17-2018, 11:09 PM   #46
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Seeing a brief glimpse of him in the barn working through his grief in a physical way (working the heavy bag) seemed like a really interesting aspect to Mikey's character development.
It was probably some hack in the editing room or otherwise saying, "What? Mikey is upset? That's soooo out of character! Mikey is supposed to be the surfer, kids' heads will explode!"
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It was probably some hack in the editing room or otherwise saying, "What? Mikey is upset? That's soooo out of character! Mikey is supposed to be the surfer, kids' heads will explode!"
RIGHT?!

Especially when you think about the idea of comedians, artists, and musicians who use their talent to work through their own grief and help others work through their's. To me, it would've been really cool to show that the "funny guy" is the one most affected by Splinter's abduction/absence. Mikey's usually doing whatever he can to have fun and make others happy, but what about when he's not happy? Could've made for some really beautiful material.
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Old 06-18-2018, 09:16 AM   #48
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It was probably some hack in the editing room or otherwise saying, "What? Mikey is upset? That's soooo out of character! Mikey is supposed to be the surfer, kids' heads will explode!"

The editor of the film, Sally Menke, was no hack. Contrary to belief, most of the scenes removed from the film had little to due with darker content, but more to due with pacing.

The best version of this film would remove the ADR lines from the Shenso scene and re-insert the blood squirt from Shredder's death. As far as the other scenes go, simply being able to watch them would be cool.

EDIT: By the way, is that how you spell Shenso's name?

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Old 06-18-2018, 09:54 AM   #49
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The editor of the film, Sally Menke, was no hack. Contrary to belief, most of the scenes removed from the film had little to due with darker content, but more to due with pacing.

The best version of this film would remove the ADR lines from the Shenso scene and re-insert the blood squirt from Shredder's death. As far as the other scenes go, simply being able to watch them would be cool.

EDIT: By the way, is that how you spell Shenso's name?
Menke was also Tarantino's editing partner and a damn talented one.

From what I understand, the Mikey break-down scene was included in the Barron/Menke edit that was submitted to Golden Harvest. GH continued cutting down the film, handling score, adding soundtrack music, etc.
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I wonder about the music that played during Raphael and Casey meeting for the first time in the park. It has that very goofy baseball-themed music playing in the finished cut.
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From what I understand, the Mikey break-down scene was included in the Barron/Menke edit that was submitted to Golden Harvest. GH continued cutting down the film, handling score, adding soundtrack music, etc.
Great information! Man, I'd love to see the Menke/Barron cut!
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Great information! Man, I'd love to see the Menke/Barron cut!
Both Peter Laird and Steve Barron have mentioned having a VHS copy!
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