Why do you all want the same movie over and over? - Page 3

*snake* · 08-26-2016, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

No no no. I'm not saying mix them; I'm saying the impact of such a good new idea (if done well) would be equivalent to the impact of good new ideas like Miwa and reincarnated Yoshi clan.

Oh ok. Yeah, I agree. Twists like that are my favorite thing in storytelling. I think Miwa could've have a lot more impact that was skipped out on by dropping and picking up the plot whenever they felt like.

*CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy* · 08-26-2016, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by snake

Oh ok. Yeah, I agree. Twists like that are my favorite thing in storytelling. I think Miwa could've have a lot more impact that was skipped out on by dropping and picking up the plot whenever they felt like.

Absolutely. But that's a different rant.

*snake* · 08-26-2016, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

Absolutely. But that's a different rant.

Casey's father in IDW got me good. I did NOT expect that. Underrated twist.

*CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy* · 08-26-2016, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by snake

Casey's father in IDW got me good. I did NOT expect that. Underrated twist.

That was also good. Really gave Hun some gravitas that he lacked in 4Kids and totally upped the ante with Arnie "The Alcoholic" Jones.

*MsMarvelDuckie* · 08-26-2016, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by snake

Yep, yep.

I have to say though, a day ago or two someone posted the idea of Hamato Yoshi being a villain and that's probably the coolest story idea I've heard. If done properly, that would be a great twist in the sequel (or at the end of the first).

I've done it. Dark Splinter/Turtles. It has been a fun experience and a challenge to make it work well. Hopefully I have succeeded. But yeah new ideas can be good if done right.

*CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy* · 08-26-2016, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

I've done it. Dark Splinter/Turtles. It has been a fun experience and a challenge to make it work well. Hopefully I have succeeded. But yeah new ideas can be good if done right.

That's a very different thing, though.

What we're discussing is Splinter and the Turtles believing Yoshi died a hero, only to find out later that he is/was, in fact, a villain who ended up in league with Oroku Saki and that their martyred human master was a lie.

*snake* · 08-26-2016, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

That's a very different thing, though.

What we're discussing is Splinter and the Turtles believing Yoshi died a hero, only to find out later that he is/was, in fact, a villain who ended up in league with Oroku Saki and that their martyred human master was a lie.

Hamato revealing himself pulling the strings from behind the scenes would be the greatest scene in the film.

*CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy* · 08-26-2016, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by snake

Hamato revealing himself pulling the strings from behind the scenes would be the greatest scene in the film.

Like Henri Ducard being R'as al Ghul, except a thousand times more surprising.

*Bry* · 08-26-2016, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by turtlefanforever

doesn't mean they need to fight the same villain and tell the same story over and over again. MANY other stories to be told and villains to fight

I agree to a point. But you need to set the foundation properly first. Go hog wild in the sequels, absolutely, but the Yoshi/Saki rivalry is essential to everything that comes after it. If you mess that up, like the Bay moves did, then you stumbled on the very first step. Time to start over.

*MsMarvelDuckie* · 08-26-2016, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

That's a very different thing, though.

What we're discussing is Splinter and the Turtles believing Yoshi died a hero, only to find out later that he is/was, in fact, a villain who ended up in league with Oroku Saki and that their martyred human master was a lie.

Hmm. I get what you are saying. But that is assuming Splinter was the pet. In my version he WAS Yoshi, and Shredder's "betrayal" was an attempt to expose Yoshi for the traitor he was to the Foot clan. Then after Yoshi fled he was mutated and created the turtles himself to get revenge. Thus beginning the feud. But Splinter believing his master was a good man and learning he was not could be interesting too.

*CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy* · 08-26-2016, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

Hmm. I get what you are saying. But that is assuming Splinter was the pet. In my version he WAS Yoshi, and Shredder's "betrayal" was an attempt to expose Yoshi for the traitor he was to the Foot clan. Then after Yoshi fled he was mutated and created the turtles himself to get revenge. Thus beginning the feud. But Splinter believing his master was a good man and learning he was not could be interesting too.

No offense, Duckie, but your version is fan fiction based in the Fred Wolf universe. (I still need to read that next chapter...)

*MsMarvelDuckie* · 08-26-2016, 09:26 PM

True. I wanted it to be a much darker version of FW though, more on par with Mirage in terms of maturity. Or basically FW all grown up.The only thing that is really the same is the characters being used. But it does use that incarnation, I just thought since we were discussing the idea of Yoshi being bad I'd posit an example of him done that way. The fact that he is (FW)Splinter was a side-note. Could have just as easily used Nick or IDW.

I see it this way. The only difference between fan-fic and canon is whether or not the writer is getting paid to do it. Either can be good or bad. Look at the Bay TMNT. I'm pretty sure any of us writers here on the Drome could have written a better script. But fan-fic gets such a bad rap as "self-insert" or Mary Sue trash even when it it MILES better than a "professionally" written story.

*Ninjinister* · 08-26-2016, 09:49 PM

I don't think at all that we all - or even any - of us want the same movie over and over.

I feel like as much as I'm one of the ones who didn't hate it, the 2014 film did a pisspoor job at cobbling together an origin for the Turtles. Without a reason to hate Shredder outside of being le bad guy, and with Splinter's introduction to ninjutsu being a damn book, it's all clumsy and stupid. Hell even if they kept Sacks as Shredder it still wouldn't have held much weight.

I was thinking the other night about how I would do a reboot for a movie if for some freakin' reason I was selected to go about it. Not too much to detail in the off chance that I get to use it as something, but it would start out with the Turtles saving April from Stockman and the Mousers as a prelude, then Splinter laying out the origin, and the Shredder fight actually after that - with giving April something to do but not like Final Blow Fox. Capped off with a cool thing involving Stockman that isn't "lol fly mutant" or "lol cyborg". Obviously it's just one guy's dream but I think anything in the similar wheelhouse of Shredder + Stockman (and not together as a team) would work for a "first movie" of a reboot.

*snake* · 08-26-2016, 10:22 PM

Just imagine this.

Splinter vs Hamato Yoshi vs Shredder in one fight. There are multiple ways that can lead to Yoshi and Shredder splitting up, but just the thought of that fight is amazing.

Cryomancer · 08-26-2016, 10:44 PM

How about one where Splinter isn't morally any better than Shredder, just has less resources. He intentionally mutates and trains the turtles for his own revenge, so he can lead the Foot himself. The turtles grow up as weapons, fulfill their mission, and then what do they do with their lives?

Mirage covers some of that last part and that's where a lot of the best TMNT material comes from. I'd almost like it if they made a movie where the origin and defeat of Shredder is covered in the opening credits and the film proper all takes place in the aftermath. Sometimes I think this whole "well you HAVE TO have Shredder" mentality is one of the franchise's greatest stumbling blocks and the sooner things can move past that idea, the better. You have to have HAD a Shredder for good TMNT, but he doesn't need to still be there.

*Panda_Kahn_fan* · 08-26-2016, 10:56 PM

Not all of us want to see an origin regurgitation, but I think many do want to see a faithful Mirage adaptation of the origin, or just want to wash what they perceive as the bad taste of PD turtles out of their mouths. As for me, I have no desire to see a new shredder/TMNT origin film in any way, shape, or form. And if one is made I'll be skipping it until said reboot's sequel comes out with a new story.

*Ninjinister* · 08-26-2016, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Panda_Kahn_fan

Not all of us want to see an origin regurgitation, but I think many do want to see a faithful Mirage adaptation of the origin, or just want to wash what they perceive as the bad taste of PD turtles out of their mouths. As for me, I have no desire to see a new shredder/TMNT origin film in any way, shape, or form. And if one is made I'll be skipping it until said reboot's sequel comes out with a new story.

I feel like that's fair. The first movie in a reboot wouldn't be necessarily for people who already knew the story anyway. I feel like, though, as long as we aren't getting three reboots in the span of 15 years like Spider-Man, we should still be good.

*Xav* · 08-26-2016, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by plastroncafe

I kind of wish we'd seen Oroku Saki as well as Shredder.

Don't we see him in the flashback?

~~Commenter 42~~ · 08-26-2016, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

Well, for one thing, there hasn't been a FAITHFUL and/or GOOD TMNT origin movie done yet.

We can do better than the 1990 movie. And we can do a HELL of a lot better than Platinum Dunes' trash.

On this, I fully agree.

*Andrew NDB* · 08-26-2016, 11:46 PM

I'd be a big advocate of the reincarnation thing cinematically. It doesn't belong in something like Mirage, of course, but it's the one big thing from IDW I can absolutely rally behind as a "good idea" in a new iteration, particularly a cinematic one.

It just opens up so many doors. You could have a scene with Leonardo about to run at Oroku Saki, and suddenly have this sweeping flashback of Oroku Saki in Feudal Japan being watched by pre-Leo Leo reaping through townsfolk, or whatever. It has value.

But maybe I'm biased. I'm a big Highlander fan, and it would mean that live-action TMNT would get flashbacks. Like Highlander.

08-26-2016, 09:26 PM	#52
MsMarvelDuckie I Married a Duck! Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: The bowels of Hell, Texas(otherwise known as Decatur) Posts: 8,772	True. I wanted it to be a much darker version of FW though, more on par with Mirage in terms of maturity. Or basically FW all grown up.The only thing that is really the same is the characters being used. But it does use that incarnation, I just thought since we were discussing the idea of Yoshi being bad I'd posit an example of him done that way. The fact that he is (FW)Splinter was a side-note. Could have just as easily used Nick or IDW. I see it this way. The only difference between fan-fic and canon is whether or not the writer is getting paid to do it. Either can be good or bad. Look at the Bay TMNT. I'm pretty sure any of us writers here on the Drome could have written a better script. But fan-fic gets such a bad rap as "self-insert" or Mary Sue trash even when it it MILES better than a "professionally" written story. __________________ "You IDIOTS! You've captured their STUNT doubles!" -from "Spaceballs" "Where Science ends, magic begins." -Spiral, Uncanny X-Men #491 My various stories and fan-fics are now here- https://m.fanfiction.net/u/4770494/#end

08-26-2016, 09:49 PM	#53
Ninjinister 無問題 Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Moesko Island, WA Posts: 14,313	I don't think at all that we all - or even any - of us want the same movie over and over. I feel like as much as I'm one of the ones who didn't hate it, the 2014 film did a pisspoor job at cobbling together an origin for the Turtles. Without a reason to hate Shredder outside of being le bad guy, and with Splinter's introduction to ninjutsu being a damn book, it's all clumsy and stupid. Hell even if they kept Sacks as Shredder it still wouldn't have held much weight. I was thinking the other night about how I would do a reboot for a movie if for some freakin' reason I was selected to go about it. Not too much to detail in the off chance that I get to use it as something, but it would start out with the Turtles saving April from Stockman and the Mousers as a prelude, then Splinter laying out the origin, and the Shredder fight actually after that - with giving April something to do but not like Final Blow Fox. Capped off with a cool thing involving Stockman that isn't "lol fly mutant" or "lol cyborg". Obviously it's just one guy's dream but I think anything in the similar wheelhouse of Shredder + Stockman (and not together as a team) would work for a "first movie" of a reboot. __________________

08-26-2016, 10:44 PM	#55
Cryomancer Mad Scientist Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 1,090	How about one where Splinter isn't morally any better than Shredder, just has less resources. He intentionally mutates and trains the turtles for his own revenge, so he can lead the Foot himself. The turtles grow up as weapons, fulfill their mission, and then what do they do with their lives? Mirage covers some of that last part and that's where a lot of the best TMNT material comes from. I'd almost like it if they made a movie where the origin and defeat of Shredder is covered in the opening credits and the film proper all takes place in the aftermath. Sometimes I think this whole "well you HAVE TO have Shredder" mentality is one of the franchise's greatest stumbling blocks and the sooner things can move past that idea, the better. You have to have HAD a Shredder for good TMNT, but he doesn't need to still be there. __________________ Final Boss of translation group Opentrain. We do videogame comics and TMNT stuff. http://opentrain.theyear199x.org/

08-26-2016, 10:56 PM	#56
Panda_Kahn_fan Mad Scientist Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,715	Not all of us want to see an origin regurgitation, but I think many do want to see a faithful Mirage adaptation of the origin, or just want to wash what they perceive as the bad taste of PD turtles out of their mouths. As for me, I have no desire to see a new shredder/TMNT origin film in any way, shape, or form. And if one is made I'll be skipping it until said reboot's sequel comes out with a new story. __________________ My TMNT fanfic: https://www.fanfiction.net/s/1266176...n-a-Half-Shell IDW is the best version of TMNT If they make a TMNT reboot movie retelling the shredder battle/origin, I won't buy a ticket.

08-26-2016, 11:46 PM	#60
Andrew NDB Weed Whacker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 29,274	I'd be a big advocate of the reincarnation thing cinematically. It doesn't belong in something like Mirage, of course, but it's the one big thing from IDW I can absolutely rally behind as a "good idea" in a new iteration, particularly a cinematic one. It just opens up so many doors. You could have a scene with Leonardo about to run at Oroku Saki, and suddenly have this sweeping flashback of Oroku Saki in Feudal Japan being watched by pre-Leo Leo reaping through townsfolk, or whatever. It has value. But maybe I'm biased. I'm a big Highlander fan, and it would mean that live-action TMNT would get flashbacks. Like Highlander. __________________ [ ODYSSEY \| ORIGIN \| THE IMAGE/VOL. 3 CONCLUSION \| THE SHELLSHOCKED PODCAST \| ON FACEBOOK ]

08-26-2016, 10:22 PM	#54
snake Disgusting Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Outer Heaven Posts: 12,230	Just imagine this. Splinter vs Hamato Yoshi vs Shredder in one fight. There are multiple ways that can lead to Yoshi and Shredder splitting up, but just the thought of that fight is amazing.