"Trans girl" sweeps track meet, brags about it

[Andrew NDB]

https://milo.yiannopoulos.net/2017/0...necticut-meet/



What do you think? Is the school brave/courageous for letting her compete with the girls?

[mrmaczaps]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

https://milo.yiannopoulos.net/2017/0...necticut-meet/

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-c...-1-575x383.jpg

What do you think? Is the school brave/courageous for letting her compete with the girls?

Except thats a dude... And no, as it gives him an advantage over the women who are likely already busting their butts to be the best in their sport. He can call himself a girl but no one else should have to play into his delusion. He is not a girl despite how he feels.

[Cure]

It would be fine if he had taken steps to transition, but the article states he hasn't, so I don't think it's cool. Just saying you identify as female shouldn't be enough.

"I identify as POTUS, take me to Area 51."

[IndigoErth]

Not much opinion really as it's just one random high school, not the Olympics, and what they do is on them. (If teammates take issue, then let them address that with the school.) If it were anything professional, then maybe she should 'transition' first, else possibly be regarded as the equivalent of a girl taking steroids. (Though that opens uncomfortable discussion regarding other girls' assumed inability to compete as well...)

Given the source site and tone, however, prob not worth much more comment.

[sdp]

I've read more than a few cases like these before and I cannot believe how many people will actually defend a transsexual girl compete in a girls event. This isn't always the case however, sometimes it's the schools themselves that force them to go to the category they don't want, so it's a case by case basis, I didn't read this exact case.

Sports are divided by gender because men have an advantage over women, that simple. I actually think if women wanted to compete with men it should be fine since they're the ones at a disadvantage.

Now by that logic a transsexual man should be able to compete with men since its technically a girl and not a man so there is no advantage. But then you have to take into account the hormone treatment they take which yes they're steroids. And that again makes it so it can't happen. I've seen tons of people defending it with stuff like "even if they take steroids they still have the same ____ than most men so they don't really have an advantage. But it is, does that mean a man without enough ___ should be allowed to take steroids then? I've also seen people say that "genetic freaks" who are born with perfect bodies for sports should be banned if trans people are banned since it's not fair that they were born that way.


Ridiculous all around, I'm sorry but if you want to go through hormone treatment which is totally cool if that's what anyone wants but you have to be aware that you may not be allowed to compete in sports professionally since there could be an unfair advantage. Now if there's really enough trans players out there then maybe some type of trans/mixed league or category could be made but I somehow doubt that'll happen because of costs and not enough demand.

[TurtleWA]

A few months ago I heard of a similar story.
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-w...g-championship
17-Year-Old Transgender Boy Wins Texas Girls' Wrestling Championship
Seems like it's becoming the new norm. No opinion on it so far for me.

[IndigoErth]

Kind of hate these subjects because the general consensus sort of comes down to what? Not just transgender prejudice, but "Girls/women are inferior and he's taking advantage."

Ouch. Maybe many guys well never get it, but many/most women don't want that rubbed in our faces. And partly why it's a touchy subject I think best left to be determined by everyone else directly involved, not the public at large. Let that school deal with it and decide... and most of all, the team. Just like the debate over our bathrooms... let women decide what we're okay with.




At the same time, there is the irony of the article (yesterday?) of the young girl whose soccer team was disqualified because... of her hair cut. And someone thinking she looked like a boy.

[plastroncafe]

The average man maybe stronger than the average woman now, but that was not always the case. And it might not be the case in the future.

Our hunter-gatherer ancestors had very little sexual dimorphism.

Also important to bring up, how women have not been allowed to participate in various sporting events. And how when women were allowed to participate, often it was with different rules so no direct comparisons between the genders could be made.

Heck less than a hundred years ago it was believed a woman was incapable of running a marathon. That scientifically our bodies were incapable of doing so.

And I'll be honest, the only event that I could conceive of a trans woman requiring SRS in order to complete in Wells be the uneven bars, for obvious reasons.

[Refractive Reflections]

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

The average man maybe stronger than the average woman now, but that was not always the case. And it might not be the case in the future.

Our hunter-gatherer ancestors had very little sexual dimorphism.

Considering the effect of testosterone and other androgen hormones on athletic performance, in concentrations found in significantly higher concentrations in men than women, I would have to disagree on that.

http://www.healthline.com/health/low...ffects-on-body
https://www.hgha.com/blog/testostero...-testosterone/

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

Also important to bring up, how women have not been allowed to participate in various sporting events. And how when women were allowed to participate, often it was with different rules so no direct comparisons between the genders could be made.

Heck less than a hundred years ago it was believed a woman was incapable of running a marathon. That scientifically our bodies were incapable of doing so.

And I'll be honest, the only event that I could conceive of a trans woman requiring SRS in order to complete in Wells be the uneven bars, for obvious reasons.

I'm certainly not questioning whether a woman wants to participate in any particular sport, but in my opinion, it's certainly not fair for women, when you have an individual who has a physiological advantage with a stronger developed bone structure (not just bone mass, but the angle of the hips for example, making a difference in gait and load baring activities), and quicker muscle mass gains and recovery, beyond the normal physiological bell-curve women have, then have that individual athletically compete with women.

[Candy Kappa]

If it's okay by the school, I don't see why it's a problem.

While not transitioning can be eye raising for outsiders since not all trans people do hormone therapy or surgery. I'd imagine the school have done a extensive investigation by putting er her under the lense and scrutinized every aspect of her life.

[Autbot_Benz]

Don't post anything that jackass Milo posts he is the worst kind of filth.

[ToTheNines]

There are bigger issues in the world today than high school sports. Next.

[Ninturtle]

Originally Posted by TurtleWA

A few months ago I heard of a similar story.
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-w...g-championship
17-Year-Old Transgender Boy Wins Texas Girls' Wrestling Championship
Seems like it's becoming the new norm. No opinion on it so far for me.

I mean that's kind of different, the transgender boy wanted to wrestle against other boys but was't allowed to.

[TurtleWA]

Originally Posted by Ninturtle

I mean that's kind of different, the transgender boy wanted to wrestle against other boys but was't allowed to.

Similar in that it involves high school sports and transgender students.

[Cure]

All this stuff on sex and gender is cool and all, but can we all at least agree that people who identify as animals are ****ing insane and need help?

[FredWolfLeonardo]

People really need to stop the mud slinging.

MrMacZaps isn't mentally disturbed all of a sudden because he is Christian, believes in only two genders, views marriage as between only 1 man and 1 woman etc.

Do I agree with his attiude all the time? Definetly not, but there are far worse attitudes out there. The reason Zaps gets picked on more is mostly because of his views.

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by mrmaczaps

Aww did I hurt your little feelings? I'm not unhinged, mentally disturbed, rude or paranoid. I'm not a liberal. :Lol:

My feeling are very hard to hurt. Especially the likes of you.
I just stated how you come through your posts, that is all - as scared shitless and angry paranoid person. If you want to be seen differently - act differently.

Originally Posted by FredWolfLeonardo

MrMacZaps isn't mentally disturbed all of a sudden because he is Christian, believes in only two genders, views marriage as between only 1 man and 1 woman etc.

LOL. Are you so naive or just pretend to be? Not that naivety do not expected from "believers".

mrm... doesn't come disturbed due to his views, but due to the way he formulates his posts.

And pretending to be victims for their views, when they are persecuted for being jerks, is a common tactic for some people. If you are an adult person you should separate the two and don't consider everyone who supports your personal views as "poor persecuted allies", because some of them are not worthy supporting and actively compromise your own ideals and values. Which why a lot of people give side eye to the left, currently.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Originally Posted by Sumac

LOL. Are you so naive or just pretend to be? Not that naivety do not expected from "believers".

mrm... doesn't come disturbed due to his views, but due to the way he formulates his posts.

And pretending to be victims for their views, when they are persecuted for being jerks, is a common tactic for some people. If you are an adult person you should separate the two and don't consider everyone who supports your personal views as "poor persecuted allies", because some of them are not worthy supporting and actively compromise your own ideals and values. Which why a lot of people give side eye to the left, currently.

What about his post formulation? That he says certain things are wrong because of his religion? Does saying that abortion is wrong, there are only 2 genders, and that Christianity the only right religion suddenly make you a Jerk?

If people can't handle that, they really need to grow thicker skin and not resort to name calling others like you just did many times in your post.

I am not even a Christian myself, and Mrmaczaps and I strongly disagree on many things. He goes as far as to consider my religion evil and satanic.

Yet I can see that he is picked on mostly because of his stances. Change the stance and the attitude will change. Muslims won't be picked on in the same way despite them actually being pretty close to Conservative Christians on so many things.