2018: Are you glad that Nickelodeon bought the TMNT 9 years ago?

*Andrew NDB* · 01-31-2018, 02:04 PM

It's been 9 years since Laird accepted Viacom/Nickelodeon's offer to buy all of the rights to TMNT for 60 million dollars and... that was that, as they say.

What say you, now?

*CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy* · 01-31-2018, 02:07 PM

Honestly?

I don't believe Laird was ever going to do anymore TMNT regardless. And Tales Volume 2 was too busy exploring weird one-off stories of little to no consequence.

So I wasn't going to get anymore Mirage TMNT regardless of whether or not Nick bought it.

So... trading two crummy kids cartoons (and counting) and two insultingly bad movies for some cool toys for my kids and one great (though Nick-regulated) comic series?

Yeah. I guess I am glad.

*newfan* · 01-31-2018, 02:13 PM

Should this thread wait until tomorrow?

Or when the show starts...

I can see that for a lot of you the answer will be no but I am going to be an irritating newbie on the other hand and say yes because of 2012. I didn't like how they treated it with airing near the end and I don't know how much I care whether I like the new show or not..

Noticing the post above, also yes, brought so much joy to one my children.

*Andrew NDB* · 01-31-2018, 02:20 PM

I would even venture that the 2012 cartoon is the most entertaining TMNT cartoon ever made... but there's no way the pros outweigh the long-term cons on this. It's not even close.

*Vegita-San* · 01-31-2018, 02:27 PM

at this point, no.

I feel they dropped the ball.

IDW is the only good thing gotten out of the sale so far.

Nick 2K12 was VERY hit and miss in quality and enjoy ability, even if all the elements where there for an awesome series.

and i get the strong feeling this new series won't be for me either.

*CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy* · 01-31-2018, 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

I would even venture that the 2012 cartoon is the most entertaining TMNT cartoon ever made... but there's no way the pros outweigh the long-term cons on this. It's not even close.

But what's the pro? More Mirage? Because that wasn't happening.

Is the pro not diluting/diminishing the brand? Well, that already happened, too.

I don't see what the pro of not selling was by this point. TMNT was already stuck with the mainstream kiddie "Scarlet A" hung around its neck. And Mirage was already dead.

So... did we miss out on a competent TMNT movie? Yeah. But is that Nick's fault or Bay/PD's fault?

*Andrew NDB* · 01-31-2018, 02:46 PM

Pros?

#1)A human heart -- one of the actual creators -- at the center of things, with full veto power over any and all sh**ty stuff. Quality control, let's call it, and the absence of being part of a megacorp.

#2) If not any immediate or burning creation of such, at least the possibility of quality, non-cartoon pandering TMNT movies.

#3) A likelihood that Laird would have continued chugging along on Volume 4 (I think even just him knowing there is the kind of TMNT stuff out there that there is gets to him) to its end, and probably kept Tales of the TMNT afloat, too. A possibility of a "OK, now it's your turn" of letting others loose on a Volume 5 later on.

Movies? There was always and would always be movie deals being brought to Peter and Gary Richardson's attention. And we more than likely would have gotten to see that Fusco "Batman Begins-like" script brought to life with full on grit. Instead we got TMNT 2014 and OotS, put on by focus groups and bean counters being bossed around by Michael Bay.

And a lot of people act like the 4Kids show would have been his one and only attempt at a new cartoon. Of course there'd be other deals for new cartoons on the table. Only difference? Laird would be around to smack them around and make them not have it be crap, or be a regurgitation of Fred Wolf that's a regurgitation of Fred Wolf that's a regurgitation of Fred Wolf. He would shut that sh** right down.

*plastroncafe* · 01-31-2018, 02:52 PM

Yes.
While the sale blindsided me in a way I really wasn't expecting, I'm glad it happened.

First off Peter was miserable, now he's hopefully less miserable.
Secondly, handing control of the characters to someone else creates and opens a door for different interpretations. I'm still really interested in those interpretations, and yes...even the ones I don't think work so well.

Change is the only constant.

Toxin45 · 01-31-2019, 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Pros?

#1)A human heart -- one of the actual creators -- at the center of things, with full veto power over any and all sh**ty stuff. Quality control, let's call it, and the absence of being part of a megacorp.

#2) If not any immediate or burning creation of such, at least the possibility of quality, non-cartoon pandering TMNT movies.

#3) A likelihood that Laird would have continued chugging along on Volume 4 (I think even just him knowing there is the kind of TMNT stuff out there that there is gets to him) to its end, and probably kept Tales of the TMNT afloat, too. A possibility of a "OK, now it's your turn" of letting others loose on a Volume 5 later on.

Movies? There was always and would always be movie deals being brought to Peter and Gary Richardson's attention. And we more than likely would have gotten to see that Fusco "Batman Begins-like" script brought to life with full on grit. Instead we got TMNT 2014 and OotS, put on by focus groups and bean counters being bossed around by Michael Bay.

And a lot of people act like the 4Kids show would have been his one and only attempt at a new cartoon. Of course there'd be other deals for new cartoons on the table. Only difference? Laird would be around to smack them around and make them not have it be crap, or be a regurgitation of Fred Wolf that's a regurgitation of Fred Wolf that's a regurgitation of Fred Wolf. He would shut that sh** right down.

Peter Laird doesn't have a say on the franchise anymore dude. So no volume 5

*sdp* · 09-03-2021, 04:47 PM

Laird got tired of TMNTbut he still loves the franchise. Hoped for the best and sold, not even for a lot. It does feel like exactly what happened with Lucas and star wars and how we got only the popular stuff made by the new company as soon as they lost the heart that held it together. I miss Lairs, but a sale i guess was inevitable, he seemed irritated in his last few Laird blogs before he sold it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Pros?

#1)A human heart -- one of the actual creators -- at the center of things, with full veto power over any and all sh**ty stuff. Quality control, let's call it, and the absence of being part of a megacorp.

#2) If not any immediate or burning creation of such, at least the possibility of quality, non-cartoon pandering TMNT movies.

#3) A likelihood that Laird would have continued chugging along on Volume 4 (I think even just him knowing there is the kind of TMNT stuff out there that there is gets to him) to its end, and probably kept Tales of the TMNT afloat, too. A possibility of a "OK, now it's your turn" of letting others loose on a Volume 5 later on.

Movies? There was always and would always be movie deals being brought to Peter and Gary Richardson's attention. And we more than likely would have gotten to see that Fusco "Batman Begins-like" script brought to life with full on grit. Instead we got TMNT 2014 and OotS, put on by focus groups and bean counters being bossed around by Michael Bay.

And a lot of people act like the 4Kids show would have been his one and only attempt at a new cartoon. Of course there'd be other deals for new cartoons on the table. Only difference? Laird would be around to smack them around and make them not have it be crap, or be a regurgitation of Fred Wolf that's a regurgitation of Fred Wolf that's a regurgitation of Fred Wolf. He would shut that sh** right down.

The Great Saiyaman · 11-28-2018, 02:10 PM

The only thing I did NOT like about Nickelodeon buying TMNT is that they let Micheal Bay get too close for comfort to it.

Bahamut810 · 09-03-2021, 05:23 PM

Zombie Thread!

*Anarchistguy* · 09-05-2021, 04:28 PM

Am I glad that Nick owns the TMNT?...

Well, thanks to that sale, every single one of my fears and nightmares about the franchise came true, which led me to mostly (99.5%) give up on it

So no.

Mugic · 09-05-2021, 05:17 PM

Alopex was the only good thing to come out of the buyout in my opinion

*Andrew NDB* · 09-05-2021, 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anarchistguy

Am I glad that Nick owns the TMNT?...

Well, thanks to that sale, every single one of my fears and nightmares about the franchise came true, which led me to mostly (99.5%) give up on it

So no.

That's fair.

shredder orokusaki · 09-07-2021, 08:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anarchistguy

Am I glad that Nick owns the TMNT?...

Well, thanks to that sale, every single one of my fears and nightmares about the franchise came true, which led me to mostly (99.5%) give up on it

So no.

Your fear and nightmares was sometinh like Rise of the teenage mutant ninja tutrtles?

*Anarchistguy* · 09-07-2021, 08:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shredder orokusaki

Your fear and nightmares was sometinh like Rise of the teenage mutant ninja tutrtles?

Among other things...

*Andrew NDB* · 09-07-2021, 11:24 AM

Dan Berger, just after the sale in 2009 (widely posted about, not a secret): "So the Nick guys came into the offices for a few days and they only seem super interested in the Fred Wolf cartoon."

Fast forward to 2021 and here we are still. Yep.

D-ray · 09-29-2021, 02:45 PM

I don't really mind it. The 2013 serie wasn't my favourite, but its somewhat nice to see that they try to make the franchise feel new.

I would like to see the rights of TMNT in the ends of someone less "kids oriented" but I guess that's fine.

Torterra · 09-29-2021, 03:12 PM

I'm glad honestly after the 2003 series, the Turtles Forever movie and the 2007 movie I completely forgot about turtles till the 2012 series was announced. While there was some stuff in that series I wasn't a big fan of I'm glad it did lit the turtle's fire and brought them back into the media after a few years.

View Poll Results: Are you glad Viacom/Nick bought TMNT?
I'm glad they did	40	52.63%
I'm glad NOW they did, but I wasn't beforehand	8	10.53%
No, not glad	12	15.79%
I was glad at first, now I'm not glad	13	17.11%
It is INFURIATING!	3	3.95%
Voters: 76. You may not vote on this poll

01-31-2018, 02:20 PM	#4
Andrew NDB Weed Whacker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 29,347	I would even venture that the 2012 cartoon is the most entertaining TMNT cartoon ever made... but there's no way the pros outweigh the long-term cons on this. It's not even close. __________________ [ ODYSSEY \| ORIGIN \| THE IMAGE/VOL. 3 CONCLUSION \| THE SHELLSHOCKED PODCAST \| ON FACEBOOK ]

01-31-2018, 02:27 PM	#5
Vegita-San Emperor Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 5,915	at this point, no. I feel they dropped the ball. IDW is the only good thing gotten out of the sale so far. Nick 2K12 was VERY hit and miss in quality and enjoy ability, even if all the elements where there for an awesome series. and i get the strong feeling this new series won't be for me either. __________________ 'Wrong, April. We've Been upgraded to Women hating TROLLS' ?The force is not female, the force is not male, the force is for everyone?

01-31-2018, 02:46 PM	#7
Andrew NDB Weed Whacker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 29,347	Pros? #1)A human heart -- one of the actual creators -- at the center of things, with full veto power over any and all sh*ty stuff. Quality control, let's call it, and the absence of being part of a megacorp. #2) If not any immediate or burning creation of such, at least the possibility* of quality, non-cartoon pandering TMNT movies. #3) A likelihood that Laird would have continued chugging along on Volume 4 (I think even just him knowing there is the kind of TMNT stuff out there that there is gets to him) to its end, and probably kept Tales of the TMNT afloat, too. A possibility of a "OK, now it's your turn" of letting others loose on a Volume 5 later on. Movies? There was always and would always be movie deals being brought to Peter and Gary Richardson's attention. And we more than likely would have gotten to see that Fusco "Batman Begins-like" script brought to life with full on grit. Instead we got TMNT 2014 and OotS, put on by focus groups and bean counters being bossed around by Michael Bay. And a lot of people act like the 4Kids show would have been his one and only attempt at a new cartoon. Of course there'd be other deals for new cartoons on the table. Only difference? Laird would be around to smack them around and make them not have it be crap, or be a regurgitation of Fred Wolf that's a regurgitation of Fred Wolf that's a regurgitation of Fred Wolf. He would shut that sh** right down. __________________ [ ODYSSEY \| ORIGIN \| THE IMAGE/VOL. 3 CONCLUSION \| THE SHELLSHOCKED PODCAST \| ON FACEBOOK ]

11-28-2018, 02:10 PM	#11
The Great Saiyaman Stone Warrior Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 910	The only thing I did NOT like about Nickelodeon buying TMNT is that they let Micheal Bay get too close for comfort to it. __________________ "I reject your reality and substitute my own." - Adam Savage, "Mythbusters"

01-31-2018, 02:04 PM	#1
Andrew NDB Weed Whacker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 29,347	2018: Are you glad that Nickelodeon bought the TMNT 9 years ago? It's been 9 years since Laird accepted Viacom/Nickelodeon's offer to buy all of the rights to TMNT for 60 million dollars and... that was that, as they say. What say you, now? __________________ [ ODYSSEY \| ORIGIN \| THE IMAGE/VOL. 3 CONCLUSION \| THE SHELLSHOCKED PODCAST \| ON FACEBOOK ]

01-31-2018, 02:07 PM	#2
CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy Annalist Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 16,435	Honestly? I don't believe Laird was ever going to do anymore TMNT regardless. And Tales Volume 2 was too busy exploring weird one-off stories of little to no consequence. So I wasn't going to get anymore Mirage TMNT regardless of whether or not Nick bought it. So... trading two crummy kids cartoons (and counting) and two insultingly bad movies for some cool toys for my kids and one great (though Nick-regulated) comic series? Yeah. I guess I am glad. __________________ *ALL THEIR DAYS ARE NUMBERED*

01-31-2018, 02:13 PM	#3
newfan Mad Scientist Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: UK Posts: 2,393	Should this thread wait until tomorrow? Or when the show starts... I can see that for a lot of you the answer will be no but I am going to be an irritating newbie on the other hand and say yes because of 2012. I didn't like how they treated it with airing near the end and I don't know how much I care whether I like the new show or not.. Noticing the post above, also yes, brought so much joy to one my children. Last edited by newfan; 01-31-2018 at 02:21 PM.

09-03-2021, 05:23 PM	#12
Bahamut810 Stone Warrior Join Date: May 2021 Location: USA Posts: 572	Zombie Thread!

09-05-2021, 04:28 PM	#13
Anarchistguy Mad Scientist Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Canada (This country is too peaceful, Something's up...) Posts: 2,088	Am I glad that Nick owns the TMNT?... Well, thanks to that sale, every single one of my fears and nightmares about the franchise came true, which led me to mostly (99.5%) give up on it So no. __________________ M.D.K. Maim! Destroy! Kill!!! "When my time comes, I wanna be buried face down, so those who don't like me can kiss my ass!"

09-05-2021, 05:17 PM	#14
Mugic Thug Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Dimension X Posts: 96	Alopex was the only good thing to come out of the buyout in my opinion __________________

09-07-2021, 11:24 AM	#18
Andrew NDB Weed Whacker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 29,347	Dan Berger, just after the sale in 2009 (widely posted about, not a secret): "So the Nick guys came into the offices for a few days and they only seem super interested in the Fred Wolf cartoon." Fast forward to 2021 and here we are still. Yep. __________________ [ ODYSSEY \| ORIGIN \| THE IMAGE/VOL. 3 CONCLUSION \| THE SHELLSHOCKED PODCAST \| ON FACEBOOK ]

09-29-2021, 02:45 PM	#19
D-ray Foot Soldier Join Date: Mar 2020 Location: Italy Posts: 219	I don't really mind it. The 2013 serie wasn't my favourite, but its somewhat nice to see that they try to make the franchise feel new. I would like to see the rights of TMNT in the ends of someone less "kids oriented" but I guess that's fine. __________________ "Fighting for our comrades, for the Republic, for... VICTORY!"

09-29-2021, 03:12 PM	#20
Torterra Foot Soldier Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 112	I'm glad honestly after the 2003 series, the Turtles Forever movie and the 2007 movie I completely forgot about turtles till the 2012 series was announced. While there was some stuff in that series I wasn't a big fan of I'm glad it did lit the turtle's fire and brought them back into the media after a few years.