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I'm not suggesting it's an intentional call-back, I'm saying it's an unfortunate co-relation that sours the interpretation for me.
And given that the thread is literally asking how I feel about it, I don't think it's taking the question too seriously. Heck, I didn't even go into it, but some got buttmad anyway.
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You have my apologies for the invasion of your safe space by my opinion on a fictional character. It was not my intent to trigger you and cause you emotional distress.
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The character Yuki Sohma from the anime fruits basket turns into a rat. There are anime, manga, and parts of Japanese folklore where Japanese men turn into Nezumi and rat creatures. And being identified as a rat is not a bad or insulting thing for Japanese people, because of the animal's sacred and honored place on the Chinese zodiac. The Japanese view the rat as a quick, cunning, and intelligent animal. And I don't think a few western propaganda pieces from World War II should override an entire culture's centuries long history of identifying clever or cunning individuals in that culture as an intelligent and respected animal.
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I don't share that opinion.
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But we know that the turtles were not the only creatures he touched. It flat out states that he was LIVING WITH rats as pets and that they were the last animal he had contact with when he touched the mutagen. (And it even shows him stepping in it BEFORE HE EVER TOUCHES THE TURTLES crawling in it.) So it's not sloppy- they explained veey clearly why he ended up a rat. Quote:
He was indeed in hiding. Saki had basically framed him for trying to kill a GRANDMASTER. Think about that for a moment. In ninja clans that amounts to not just exile but most likely a death sentance as well. He went into hiding in a place that he hoped would be safe from retribution by the clan. Plus being literally penniless did not help. No resources and no friends- he was royally screwed and he knew it. Quote:
That would have ended the moment he was exiled from the clan though. Yes he had proof of Shredder's plot but unless someone was willing to listen to his side (obviously they were not) then it did not matter that he was the rightful leader. Saki made sure he was thoroughly ousted. And then he added insult to injury by trying to kill him. (Most likely because he realized that leaving him alive might get his plot discovered eventually.) Quote:
Exactly. Rats are considered a sacred animal in the Eastern zodiac and folklore much like many other animals. It would only have been truly an insult if he had been turned into a cat, which is often seen as a demon in Japan.
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Correct, thank you. I wonder if any Japanese TMNT fans would complain about the Yoshi-turned-rat aspect.
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One thing I liked about FW Splinter was that he didn't try and get revenge on the Shredder unless he happened to be conquering the world and the turtles weren't able to defeat him by themselves.
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One more thing I found interesting about this version of Splinter was that he was actually Shredder's superior.
Pretty different from the common view nowdays of Splinter and Shreddwr being equals. Splinter did teach Shredder Ninjitsu after all, and was much older by comparison, but still either equalled or surprassed his student in combat (the former most likely due to old age and Shredder's willingness to use Deceptive tactics). So Shredder in the FW series was never really on the level of Splinter, but more on the level of the turtles, mostly being able to match about 2 turtles in combat consistently throughout the series, but something losing to just 1 or beating all 4 depending on whats conveninent to the plot. Last edited by FredWolfLeonardo; 10-01-2017 at 06:28 PM. |
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Here's another question, if the Turtles ended up looking like turtles with a human posture, why didn't Yoshi just get the posture of a rat without the fur and stuff?
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The worst part of the origin was how they tried to shoehoern Mondo gecko into it with the "HE WAS THERE ALL ALONG!". No he ****ing wasn't.
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As for why they didn't have a furless Splinter, it would look hideous. Last edited by FredWolfLeonardo; 10-02-2017 at 11:27 AM. |
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Basically, why don't he look like a shaven rat with a human face? I know that sounds horrifying but that's essentially how the turtles mutated. If they had mutated the way Hamato Yoshi did, then they would be crawling on all fours, have pink skin, lips, noses and possibly tufts of hair on their scalps. |
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Humans are covered in hair though.
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Me neither, but that doesn't change the fact that I am in covered in hair.
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Not nearly as much as rats though.
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Its only meant to make a person half animal/half human in a simple way that allowed the writers to come up with cool designs and market toys that would appeal to children. but if we're going into deep speculation, I'd argue that the turtles don't actually have that many turtle features besides shells and front body plates. Their scales looks more like human skin with a shade of green, their hands feet are much more humanoid than reptilian, and they have human teeth, intelligence, hearing which turtles don't have and they can sweat. Basically, they are more human than turtle because thats who they came in contact with. In a similar vein, I imagine Splinter would look far more like a rat than a human because of being in contact with rats before mutating, and he does. He pretty much has all the features of a rat besides maybe being able to stand and walk on two legs. Which brings me to my point is that when Mutating, a creature would have some its original features, but mostly gain new features from the animals they come in contact with. So the turtles have some turtle features, but are mostly human. Splinter has some human features, but is mostly a rat. Bebop has some human features, but is mostly a warthog Rocksteady has some human features, but is mostly a Rhinoceros And so on. Last edited by FredWolfLeonardo; 10-02-2017 at 12:47 PM. |
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