Season 5 Discussion Thread

[newhire13]

Watching the turtle’s reaction to the ending of Cognard in ‘Dinosaur Seen In Sewer!’ makes me appreciate the shows final episode so much more lmao. Definitely the crew’s prediction as to how people would react to the ending lol.
“Not even like a TV movie or something?”

[Donatello19]

Are all the stories in Season 5, specifically Mutant Apocalypse, even canon? I've heard the concept of it just being a "what if" extra season thrown around, and I'm pretty confused.

I'd be happy if it wasn't canon, because Owari was a much better finale for the show than whatever the heck Mutant Apocalypse was supposed to be.

[newfan]

Originally Posted by Donatello19

Are all the stories in Season 5, specifically Mutant Apocalypse, even canon? I've heard the concept of it just being a "what if" extra season thrown around, and I'm pretty confused.

I'd be happy if it wasn't canon, because Owari was a much better finale for the show than whatever the heck Mutant Apocalypse was supposed to be.

There's been tons of talk on that here. In short, to the writers, yes and most go with that.

TMNT twitter account replied to someone who said Apocalypse wasn't and said 'correct' and then described season 5 as tales from beyond or something like that, so there's the confusion.
I think also, it was said that up to the end of season 4 was the main story they wanted to tell and that 5 would be fun tales, so you can choose to end with 4 if you want, however just because adventures happened after that story shouldn't have to mean they didn't happen.

[Vicky82]

Originally Posted by Donatello19

Are all the stories in Season 5, specifically Mutant Apocalypse, even canon? I've heard the concept of it just being a "what if" extra season thrown around, and I'm pretty confused.

I'd be happy if it wasn't canon, because Owari was a much better finale for the show than whatever the heck Mutant Apocalypse was supposed to be.

Originally Posted by newfan

There's been tons of talk on that here.
To the writers, yes it is and most are going that.
TMNT twitter account replied to someone who said it wasn't and said 'correct' and then described season 5 as tales from beyond or something like that, so there's the confusion.

Redworld spoke to someone who works on the show and have said that the Kavaxas Arc is the true ending and the other arcs are just extra stories. There is a screen shot of that conversation somewhere.

[victory_angel]

Originally Posted by Vicky82

Redworld spoke to someone who works on the show and have said that the Kavaxas Arc is the true ending and the other arcs are just extra stories. There is a screen shot of that conversation somewhere.

Yeah, the only ones that feel cannon are the Kavaxas Arc and the Lone Rat and Cubs.


Kavaxas arc being an epilogue to the series and Lone Rat being just a flash back and a swan song for Splinter.

Since each of the seasons had their own centralized theme according to Blockbuster Buster

Season 1 was choices and conciquences

Season 2 was atonement

Season 3 was growing up

Season 4 was graduation

If season 5 had followed the same trend it’s central theme would have been Adulthood.

[newhire13]

The Mutant Apocalypse is definitely canon. That’s the ending in the sense that we know what happens after the show’s main storyline and after the turtles eventually grow up. It’s left open enough that you know there will probably be adventures for them after that but for us it just shows that, down the line, the turtles are still out there and still together.

[Powder]

Originally Posted by Vicky82

Redworld spoke to someone who works on the show and have said that the Kavaxas Arc is the true ending and the other arcs are just extra stories. There is a screen shot of that conversation somewhere.

Unless that person was Ciro, their word holds no weight.

[CyberCubed]

LOL, that's all nonsense. Of course every episode of Season 5 is canon. They meant the order of Season 5 can be watched in almost any order (besides the first arc and Mutant Apocalypse), because each story arc is self contained.

I don't where this "what if" nonsense is coming from.

[Dejablue]

Oh man...Mutant Apocalypse. What a messed up way to end the series.

Its so sad! Like..is it reeeaallly canon?

Even if it is, I guess I can accept it. Sort of. At least the brothers are still together.

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by Dejablue

Oh man...Mutant Apocalypse. What a messed up way to end the series.

Its so sad! Like..is it reeeaallly canon?

Even if it is, I guess I can accept it. Sort of. At least the brothers are still together.

Yes, it's canon. Nothing about the other episodes really contradict it, there's no implication that it's an alternate timeline or anything. Not that it matters, if there were to be a comic book continuation or something it'd be easy to retcon. Just say that it was a simulation or have Renet pop up to reset everything, it's just that kind of show.

[Vegita-San]

i'm really glad he's not. sounds like more stupid monster/horror fan fiction. this time a blob tribute. i can see why nick decided to pass.

[newfan]

They most likely passed as they had a new show coming.
Had they had an issue with the story it may be that it was linked to the apocalypse (though there was time before that happened to do stories, even ones that can link up but need to be directly a prequel)

Hopefully down the line they will let him do something like a DVD movie or maybe let him release this story in it another format.

[asfaloth12]

*throws a bag of popcorn into the microwave*

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

No, you just didn't like it. Sometimes fiction has contradictions and plot holes. Doesn't negate its belonging to a larger body of work.

*gasp* How dare I not like it? The heresy!! Oh, what a world! Just because it was poorly written, with severely OOC moments, and disposed of the female characters like trash....what's not to love?
This wasn't a simple plot hole. This was a massive plot abyss into which the story collapses and falls screaming to its inevitable doom.

Jesus Christ. What a motherf*cking idiot. First of all, I said it was an arbitrary example, I knew it wasn't a perfect example.

Secondly... false equivalence? How about that retarded Tolkein example? Ciro was hired to create a new universe based on existing characters, not try to fit something into an existing fictional universe

Wow. This fool is really hung up on the legal aspect of this and has no respect for the creative side of things.

I don't give a sh*t what Peter said, as he's been wrong about stuff in the past. And the Mirage universe was so flexible anyways. But if the owner of any intellectual property says something demonstrably wrong, why would you side with them over the actual creator of the story? Stupid.

I'm also floored by their brain dead Star Wars comparisons. Seriously? There's countless contradictions between the PT and the OT alone.

This is something that should have addressed months ago, but work interfered. Better late than never. So, here it goes:
Nice. Insults, including ableist slurs. Creative side of things? There was no creativity involved in that special. It was nothing more than a lame attempt to prevent people from messing with this version of TMNT in the future. Also, Ciro is not the creator of TMNT. He is a showrunner/executive producer.
You owe EA Solinas an apology. But, I have little faith that one will be offered; her arguments really got under your skin, it seems. I think she won that argument quite handily.

I will. Enjoy your stupid scene of FW Bebop dancing as the final moment of this great show.

Actually, I think I view End Times as the final episode of the main storyline. That said, I don't know what I'll end my re-watch on. Perhaps "When Worlds Collide". Since production order doesn't matter...
However, I would gladly take a scene of Bebop dancing a thousand times, over a misogynistic, plot hole-riddled Fury Road knock-off featuring the Bearded!Raph, as well Nipplehead (aka, an extremely OOC version of Leo) driving around a wasteland acting like an idiot
Granted, the photo at the end was very moving. It felt tacked on as hell, but still very sweet.

Watching the turtle’s reaction to the ending of Cognard in ‘Dinosaur Seen In Sewer!’ makes me appreciate the shows final episode so much more lmao. Definitely the crew’s prediction as to how people would react to the ending lol.

In fairness, the initial reactions calmed down once people started pointing out the contradictions and heard that it's not officially considered "canon" by Nick. Then, most of those fans happily accepted it as an AU. Interestingly, the biggest tantrums actually ended up coming from certain fans of the special, in response to other fans pointing out the flaws or plot holes....or *gasp* daring to treat it an as AU or non-canon.

Originally Posted by Dejablue

Oh man...Mutant Apocalypse. What a messed up way to end the series.

Its so sad! Like..is it reeeaallly canon?

Even if it is, I guess I can accept it. Sort of. At least the brothers are still together.

It's a cartoon. It's not real. You can imagine it ends however you want.

As to whether it's canon.....*hears howling in the distance* Aw, hell. This should be fun.
Officially? According to Nickelodeon? No. https://twitter.com/TMNT/status/9123...54814402744322

Logically? No. It has fairly massive plot holes surrounding Renet and the future she comes from (see the episode "Turtles in Time" from Season 3). Then, you have a Mutagen bomb coming out of nowhere despite the destruction/defeat of the Kraang.

According to the showrunners? It depends. Ciro Nieli wanted it to be. For pretty lame reasons. Brandon Auman more recently said it's up to audience interpretation. https://twitter.com/auman_brandon/st...29834192502784

Conclusion: Once again, it's completely up to you. I happily take the AU interpretation. My headcanon? Raph wrote a self-insert fanfiction after a Mad Max marathon. Leo did not appreciate the accompanying fanart. You do what's right for you
For the millionth time, if people want to see the Mutant Apocalypse special as the "true ending", that's fine....as long as they respect other fans who prefer the AU interpretation.

Originally Posted by Vegita-San

i'm really glad he's not. sounds like more stupid monster/horror fan fiction. this time a blob tribute. i can see why nick decided to pass.

Agreed. It sounds painfully bad (and I'm saying this as someone who enjoyed the first half of season 3). I'm seriously wondering if Ciro was losing it at the end.

**microwave beeps** **takes out the popcorn and starts munching**

[Powder]

Who doesn't love a beaten dead horse?

[CyberCubed]

Did this guy really just respond to 6-8 month old posts?

[FredWolfLeonardo]

He was using Internet Explorer.

[Redworld96]

Did you guys saw the last IG stories of Greg Cipes? He was at the Nickelodeon studio with Ciro Nieli and showing some things of what I think is the upcoming ArtBook of the show. Oh I really want to see more of that.

[newfan]

Originally Posted by Redworld96

Did you guys saw the last IG stories of Greg Cipes? He was at the Nickelodeon studio with Ciro Nieli and showing some things of what I think is the upcoming ArtBook of the show. Oh I really want to see more of that.

I plan to buy that, October was the planned release for that, not sure it's it's still on schedule.

[asfaloth12]

Originally Posted by Redworld96

Did you guys saw the last IG stories of Greg Cipes? He was at the Nickelodeon studio with Ciro Nieli and showing some things of what I think is the upcoming ArtBook of the show. Oh I really want to see more of that.

No, I did not. I would love to see more as well; the art and design in this show was amazing. I wonder when they will actually release the book.

Originally Posted by FredWolfLeonardo

He was using Internet Explorer.

Meh. I won't judge him. Personally, I prefer Firefox. It's faster, and it's got better features. Plus, the name is way cooler.

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Did this guy really just respond to 6-8 month old posts?

She totally did!
Now, I actually thought about waiting a full year. Even longer would have been awesome, but I got impatient. I knew there was a reason I enjoy playing as a Necromancer in Diablo III.
(Judging by your response, I'm going to assume that you don't have any good counter-arguments. I'm not surprised; nobody on this site or elsewhere has been able to successfully explain away the canon contradictions in that special).

Originally Posted by Powder

Who doesn't love a beaten dead horse?

....*slowly backs away* Well....that's not creepy at all. Do I need to call the Humane Society or something?
(On a more serious note, would that be the same "dead horse" you were beating just a few comments before mine? ....That's what I thought. And once again, no good counter-arguments to the points I made. Surprise, surprise )



Edit: I can't believe it's been nearly a year since this series ended. I'm grateful that the main story line had a satisfying conclusion with Owari (though I suppose End Times works as well). In addition, I'm grateful that it had a fun crossover for the official series finale, instead of the AU dumpster fire we almost got stuck with

[ABrown]

Well. We did it. We successfully went the entire month of October 2021 without a single post in this forum. Anyone watch the Savanti arc last month for Halloween? I found it to be one of the most enjoyable story arcs of the series.