12-22-2017, 01:29 PM | #1 | |
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Mutant Apocalypse: Alternate timeline?
Recently, I've been reading reviews/descriptions of the latest Nick tmnt episodes, and what stands out to me about the Mutant Apocalypse is that it is always described as an "alternate future" or "alternate timeline".
Is there any confirmation about this from the writers of the show? I always saw the Mutant Apocalypse as canon, and see no reason to exclude it from the rest of the series, so I find this term for describing it as confusing/puzzling.
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12-22-2017, 02:25 PM | #2 |
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awh Fredwolf, oh no you didn't...
Meant to be canon I believe by the writers, alternate universe to those who see it that way due to various 'things not adding up' and also Nick call it a 'tale' (not canon) That is why you have found some confusion. I'm stepping away now LOL Last edited by newfan; 12-22-2017 at 03:04 PM. |
12-22-2017, 02:41 PM | #3 |
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Yeah this does seem to be a bit of a can of worms.
Its one of those pecularities I think. Possibly a disparity between the staff at Nick studios and the writers for Nick TMNT. Essentially, it was written to be intended as a canon finale for the Nick TMNT. However, that original intention seems to have waned a bit - with most of the subsequent marketing describing it as 'alternate'. The honest answer is *shrug* As Newfan noted, its a bit of a sore topic for many fans it seems. Some see it as being the intended conclusion - others find it such a strange way to end the series that its simply easier to think of it as non canon and an 'alternate future'. Take it as you will I guess.
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12-22-2017, 02:52 PM | #4 |
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It's canon. It's the intended future. Maybe if the Nick show is revisited in a movie a few years from now, they can do a crazy time travel adventure with Renet and Fugitoid to go back in time and stop the mutagen bomb from going off....but if that never happens than this is it.
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It's canon. Period. Some fans are just butthurt & spinning a theory to spare themselves the babyrage.
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12-22-2017, 03:04 PM | #6 |
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It's not an alternate future until it's been altered, this was it. It even ends on a hopeful open ended conclusion, so the butthurtness of some is a bit eye rolling.
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12-22-2017, 03:05 PM | #7 |
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Someone who worked on the show said it can be seen as either while word of god has said yes.
Then again, Nick owns the show so whatever Nick may say is the true canon, as far as we know until Nick says otherwise it's meant to be canon since it aired and there were no indicators that it was an alternate timeline or anything of the like. People who say it shouldn't is because they don't want it to be but that doesn't mean it didn't happen. Bitter sweet. Word of God always loses to whoever owns the story, creators come and go but franchises continue, so whatever Nick decides would be the real deal. Now, Nick hasn't said anything so it's basically them giving their blessing on whatever word of god said, if it somehow changed then yeah, but it hasn't so far. Last edited by sdp; 06-18-2023 at 04:07 PM. |
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In other words is Word of God against Word of a couple of suits that only care about money and ratings.
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Why is there so much talk about "The Word of God"?
It has nothing to do with this topic.
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12-22-2017, 06:36 PM | #10 |
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Mutant Apocalypse being an alternate timeline? That's what Nickelodeon and some of the staff said.
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12-22-2017, 06:51 PM | #11 |
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"Word of god" refers to the show creators and writers, very much to do with the topic.
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12-22-2017, 06:56 PM | #12 |
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In one of the news articles about season five they discribed one of the arcs as a “Possible Future” for the TMNT. The event takes place quite a few years into the future when the Turtles are well into their adulthood while the Turtles when they complete the Usagi arc are about 19 years nearly 20 years old.
So it largly depends on how you view it personally. If this is how you believe their future happened, then this is their future. However if you don’t like this future, then this future never happened and you can come to your own conclusion as to what happened to the awesome foursome. |
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12-22-2017, 09:00 PM | #14 |
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It’s really up to interpretation. There’s evidence for, and against it being canon.
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In the Nick show they didn't travel to this future, as far as we know it IS the future whether we like it or not. For me personally I don't like it being the future even though it's my favorite episode(s) of the series but it's still technically their future. |
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12-23-2017, 01:58 AM | #16 |
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I made no secret that the finale hurt me but I know that it is how the writers wanted to end it and that they did not intend it an AU.
Edit: That being said, People are free to choose their canon given the situation, it's the opinion pushing that I grew tired of. Last edited by newfan; 12-23-2017 at 03:42 AM. |
12-23-2017, 04:05 AM | #17 |
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It is definitely a better finale than "The Big Blowout". Some just want TMNT to end on happy fun times. Apparently Nick does.
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12-23-2017, 04:57 AM | #18 |
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I imagine Nicks reason is that this is kids show, they may have considered that young children probably don't want the last they see of their hero's to be them looking like that, instead remember them as they've known them.
As for your point about the Big Blow out, yeah.. I felt that was a triumph for Bebop and Rocksteady rather than the turtles. If the order was going to be changed to finish up with something more triumphant with everyone in it I think the first arc would have been better... but this was a last minute decision I think? Last edited by newfan; 12-23-2017 at 05:19 AM. |
12-23-2017, 05:18 AM | #19 |
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It was a Matrix style trick by Baxter Stockman to get revenge for his restoration. He got pissed when it didn't work, brought them out of it, they kicked his ass and resumed business as usual.
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Mutant Apocalypse on the other hand, ends with all the 2012 turtles happily re-united after many years which I thought was perfect. Only thing I didn't like was no April (and to an extent Casey) since she was with the turtles from the beginning.
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