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View Poll Results: Did Peter get a bad deal with Nickelodeon? | |||
Yeah, bad deal. | 4 | 23.53% | |
He got a good deal. | 7 | 41.18% | |
I don't have enough information to say. | 6 | 35.29% | |
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05-02-2018, 01:18 PM | #21 | |
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Maybe TMNT sold for a lot less, but it at least got them into new hands easier (I assume?) and became profitable for their new owner FAR sooner. $522 million sounds insane, but I guess maybe to a toy company it's worth it... But imagine how much product, etc they're going to have to sell first to get that back before it technically can start becoming profitable... wow. Not so sure I'd want TMNT solely owned by a toy company. |
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05-02-2018, 01:39 PM | #22 |
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Why not? They basically are now.
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05-02-2018, 01:50 PM | #23 |
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People here legitimately seem to have no idea how large some kids franchises are. For example the Pokemon franchise has made more money worldwide than Star Wars, and Pokemon only came out in 1997 whereas Star Wars has a 20+ year headstart on it since it came out in 1978.
Harry Potter, Spongebob, etc. probably made more money worldwide than TMNT. |
05-02-2018, 01:53 PM | #24 | |
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05-02-2018, 02:04 PM | #25 | |
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I guess maybe I'm not seeing the big picture here. Maybe it's because the TMNT has never had a "huge" hit with any movies, and only the toys make the big money... and that new toys don't necessarily guarantee more big money.
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05-02-2018, 02:16 PM | #26 | |
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To be honest, I think the only reason it has 25 seasons is precisely because of how cheap this glorified dubbing probably is. |
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05-02-2018, 07:19 PM | #27 | |
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The selling price isn't just figured what an IP has the potential to earn, but what it has recently proven to earn. Power ranger's constant seasonal turnover, compared to TMNT's turn over every 3-7 years, is a more consistent stream of revenue, thus making PR more valuable in that regard.
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05-02-2018, 07:30 PM | #28 | |
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05-02-2018, 07:55 PM | #29 |
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When Nick bought TMNT intellectual property rights "lock, stock, and barrel" what did not go with it? TMNT 1987 distribution rights and viseo distribution rights, first three films, and Next Mutation distribution rights?
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05-02-2018, 09:47 PM | #30 |
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I already posted a lot of these points on the Power Rangers thread but since that I've learned a lot more, Panda Khan has also been right in all his posts, so I"ll break it down to points below but for the TLDR: Hasbro bought more than just PRs and yes TMNT could've sold for more.
*Peter Laird likely sold TMNT for "cheap" (60 mill) to get out, also TMNT had no future plans, if he head shopped around more maybe he could've gotten more interest, especially if TMNT had future plans. *Saban Brands bought Power Rangers from Disney for 100 million, Disney likely sold cheap since they didn't want to deal with Toei anymore and had just bought Marvel *Saban Brands had 500 million in investment money, they bought many other brands including Julius for 50 million, Popples, My Pet Monster, rights for animes etc. Also Power Rangers still has a 3 year Nickelodeon deal *Hasbro bought all of Saban's Brands, Power Rangers just happens to be the biggest one but between what Saban spent that we know it was already 150 mill from just PRs and Julius, surely the other brands were cheaper but they add up. With this in mind it's no longer "500 mill for Power Rangers!!1" *Power Ranger has been on the air for 25 years with toys on the shelves always, they've had good and bad years but have been #1 boys best seller many years including when 2k3 was airing. PR does have wider appeal worldwide. TMNT was only ever a huge hit with the OT, 2k3 was successful but those two shows can't match PRs over their whole time. *Hasbro wants to make their cinematic universe a reality and besides GI Joe/Transformers they have no real big brands. This deal gives them nearly 900 episodes of PRs among other properties that also have shows (VR Troopers. *Even though they spent 500 million on Power Rangers, they still don't control the property, Toei has a big stake and basically co-own power rangers and can shot down any crazy ideas Hasbro may have *This means Hasbro officially owns Ninja Turtles: The Next Mutation, which is not new to Hasbro since when they had their channel The Hub The Next Mutation also aired with other Hasbro cartoons. |
05-03-2018, 01:05 AM | #31 |
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I think Peter probably did fine. Hasbro bought more than just PR.
I agree with others that PR is far more consistent than TMNT and has a bigger backlog. So I think it makes sense for the most part. The only thing I wondered about when I saw this news was Super Sentai. Like PR is just an American version. How does that work? Anyway what I did not think of was possible crossovers...Transformers meet the Power Rangers? Transformer Zords? Mind blown Make it happen Hasbro!
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05-03-2018, 01:56 AM | #32 |
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Power Rangers also has like 1,000 episodes, TMNT does not. And remember Viacom doesn't actually own the original cartoon, so all they got was the 2k3 series prior to creating their own cartoons.
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05-03-2018, 03:46 AM | #33 | |
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Here's the point. Most of the suits, props, pyrotechnics, CGI and whatever else has already been made and filmed before hand. All Disney/Saban ever had to do (in theory) is cut out the scenes lacking extensive SFX, so they could film non-union actors on New Zealand in it's place. Of course you're always going to turn a profit with corner cutting like that. |
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05-03-2018, 05:39 AM | #34 |
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So you're saying when they roll out their cinematic universe it'll consist of G.I. Joe, Transformers, Power Rangers, and...NT: TNM? Sold!
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05-03-2018, 06:20 AM | #35 | |
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05-03-2018, 08:06 AM | #36 | |
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05-03-2018, 10:40 AM | #37 |
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As said the difference is TMNT comics aren't popular with kids (obviously) and the TMNT cartoons eventually end. Power Rangers more or less goes on forever and never stops, similar to Pokemon or other shows that consistently go on.
Likewise the height of TMNT's popularity was 1984-1992. By 1993 the TMNT fad was ending hence disappointing box office returns of TMNT III, the original cartoon heading toward its final seasons, and the Mirage comics eventually stopping by 1995 to the switch with Image where it never sold well. And that was like....25+ years ago now. |
05-03-2018, 12:02 PM | #38 |
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as much as I hate to say it, it HAS had a new show on for almost 20 years straight. not saying those are good, but that might account for it.
I never understood the power rangers fad. it always looked cheap and badly done and even as a kid i could never get past it. it just didn't look cool. Turtles to me looked far cooler. what i don't get. why would saban buy it back a few years ago and then turn around and sell it again? iirc
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05-03-2018, 01:05 PM | #39 |
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TMNT is way more niche than Power Rangers.
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05-03-2018, 01:26 PM | #40 |
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Power Rangers definitely has a bigger fandom, look at all the sites dedicated to Power Rangers and their own convention. TMNT can't even compare.
Now I do think TMNT might be liked by more "casual" adult "fans" who grew up with the OT while Power Rangers for the longest time wasn't accepted by the adult fan, it's only recent that Power Rangers nostalgia is cool. So yeah, it's a bit weird, I do think TMNT is more iconic and well known but might be seen like an artist that has a one hit wonder every once in a while and people love while Power Rangers has just been more consistent with new fans so they're like that one band that has somehow released many records after their first few hits without you even realizing and yet they have a consistent fanbase. |
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