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Who knows why bad guys do bad things? I'm sure we'll get a better picture of his motivations in the days ahead.
What I do know is that if that school hadn't had an actual countermeasure in place for an in progress shooting, we could've had as many or more victims as Florida. It's sad to think about. This isn't as newsworthy as Florida because (the left narrative aside) nobody died... yet how isn't the saving of potentially so many lives not equally newsworthy as lives lost? Or important?
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Exception that proves the rule but we'll see this case be brought up every time another tragedy happens.
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That truly is the big question, I think. We've had guns here for a very long time... even actual assault rifles and automatic weapons were legal here once. Yet no school shootings then. Did we just suddenly see an upsurge of mental health issues in the last couple of decades?
The problem is complicated and multi-faceted, but it's ultimately societal, I think. There is no quick fix but it begins with good parenting. We are in an age where parents can just throw YouTube in front of the kids and walk away, and they can get fired up over any cause they find to fight for, or romanticize killers of the past and galvanize whatever state they're in with whatever they're going through (rough breakup, kids don't like me, blah blah). I don't have a great perspective into what teenagers go through nowadays in their teenage years but I suspect it is very different than what I knew... and not for the better in many ways. Wrapping ourselves in a bubble of further legislation will do nothing.
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Here you go though This is the national crime stat for 2016 https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s...ables/table-20
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The question is complex. I mean, I'm certain there is 30 countries where kids run in the street in packs violently mugging people freely everyday and it's not remotely newsworthy because it is so commonplace (I know this, actually), but that's hardly a valid comparison piece to the US. However, there is a large number of countries that have guns, like, everywhere, all the time, in almost all places (and we are talking actual assault rifles and more) and it's no big deal and there is 0 school shootings.
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Which brings up another issue. We're a country that thrives in media. 300 networks starving for breaking or topical or politically aiding (with two competing sides, even) news stories. Do you think many other countries have anything remotely resembling this climate outside of maybe some parts of the UK?
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Not really even the UK. You have three, maybe four national covering news networks (including the BBC obviously), and a lot of local news factions, but local news here is a byword for fluffy pieces to camera usually. Local interest stories, usually nothing hard hitting, but sometimes campaigns and protests that affect local residents and the such.
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Oddly enough, Fox News channel didn't seem to be covering it- until this morning, and then only because he was caught and blew himself up rather than be arrested. That is literally the first coverage I've seen nationally. Even the local news only gave it minimal coverage until a couple of days ago, which is strange, to be sure. I guess shooters warrent more attention than bombers? I dunno.....
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The ever dreaded social justice corner of the internet has been covering it since it began, because of the first four bombs same to target prominent Black families.
Curious who the suspect was, will they to have had a history of domestic abuse?
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So another angry young white guy has been trying to blow up my fellow citizens for the past few weeks.
We got him this morning. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime...led/ar-BBKuTIY It's not a gun problem, it's a people problem.
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And that maybe it might be a good idea to address that.
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Resource officer's quick action stopped the Maryland school shooter within seconds
Recent update from CNN.
“The school shooting was over in seconds. But it could have dragged on longer and proven deadlier were it not for the rapid response of a school resource officer.“ https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn...rnd/index.html |
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I sure wouldn't. If I were a parent I'd also be scared of him having to go to school as things are right now in the US. You underestimate globalization, the news and #FAKENEWS media is pretty much everywhere now, especially with the rise of social media among the older folks. This is also why we're seeing a rise in nationalism worldwide. Last edited by sdp; 03-21-2018 at 09:39 AM. |
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It shouldn't be difficult to find statistics from countries with a similar demographic, and socioeconomic, breakdown for comparison.
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Vs. a school with no weapons at all, not even a slim chance for survival if a shooter comes and runs roughshod? Absolutely.
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I don’t think it’s a cheap scapegoat at all. I’m wanting to determine if Americans under 21 commit/attempt murder at significantly higher rates than there under 21 global counterparts. My wish would be that America is similar or even lower. I would hope it’s not something like quadruple the global rate.
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