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Old 10-10-2018, 02:00 PM   #21
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A lot of those older male virgins and incels aren't really ugly, though. They seem to be normal looking dudes for the most part. They just lack self-confidence, I guess.
or creeps with some serious hick-ups when it comes to "the females"
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or creeps with some serious hick-ups when it comes to "the females"
Yeah, that too.
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Yep, the main problem is the creeps (or the crazy shooters) are the ones that make the news or the papers, so they end up giving all the incels a bad name.

I do agree that negativity breeds more negativity. A lot of these guys sound like they don't even try or are home all day and expect their supermodel waifu to just show up out of nowhere. Even if women started throwing themselves at random men one day, 90% of them would miss it cause they never leave the house.

Plus alot of these guys think life works like the movies, where the guy always gets the girl in the end, the girl really does love you despite XYZ shortcomings or college is nonstop hook ups with people falling in your lap.

They're detached from reality.

Where MGTOW take the red pill to go their own way, incels take the black pill which is pretty much if you can't get laid you were better off never being born and might as well end it.

Dark stuff with those incels.
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Old 10-10-2018, 02:50 PM   #24
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Yep, the main problem is the creeps (or the crazy shooters) are the ones that make the news or the papers, so they end up giving all the incels a bad name.

I do agree that negativity breeds more negativity. A lot of these guys sound like they don't even try or are home all day and expect their supermodel waifu to just show up out of nowhere. Even if women started throwing themselves at random men one day, 90% of them would miss it cause they never leave the house.

Plus alot of these guys think life works like the movies, where the guy always gets the girl in the end, the girl really does love you despite XYZ shortcomings or college is nonstop hook ups with people falling in your lap.

They're detached from reality.

Where MGTOW take the red pill to go their own way, incels take the black pill which is pretty much if you can't get laid you were better off never being born and might as well end it.

Dark stuff with those incels.
I guess it's because lots(most?) incels are virgins or have had very little experience with sex and romance and thus believe sex is the be and all of the entire human existence. Sex obviously isn't the only thing worth in life. Rarely do I see someone claiming that losing their virginity was a big event in their lives. Not to mention there's a lot of people stuck in bad relationships who wish they never had gotten into them.

That being said, society also doesn't help with the shaming of virginity. It's cool and all how sex is more openly discussed and more tolerated nowadays than it was decades ago, but a lot of those progressive and open minded people are kinda being hypocritical when they make fun of or judge virgins, and that's only gonna put more pressure and annoy virgins. And now, before someone jumps the gun on what I've said I'm not saying that gives incels ANY justification whatsoever to act violent and hateful towards women.

I don't think it's anyone's business if someone is a virgin. Having sex doesn't make you a better person than someone who hasn't had it yet. A lot of people don't put their HS mentality behind though and will still judge virgins when they're in their 30s. It's not a big deal if someone is 21 or so and hasn't even gotten a kiss yet, especially fi that's not affecting them negatively. And if it does, then it's up to them to make those changes and get on to it when they finally feel ready for it. Not up to others to judge and belittle them for it.
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Old 10-10-2018, 03:08 PM   #27
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I don't think it's anyone's business if someone is a virgin. Having sex doesn't make you a better person than someone who hasn't had it yet. A lot of people don't put their HS mentality behind though and will still judge virgins when they're in their 30s. It's not a big deal if someone is 21 or so and hasn't even gotten a kiss yet, especially fi that's not affecting them negatively. And if it does, then it's up to them to make those changes and get on to it when they finally feel ready for it. Not up to others to judge and belittle them for it.
As someone from the U.S., I think that my country's culture is way too obsessed with sex in general, even as we constantly vilify the thought of it, especially aspects of sexuality that are considered taboo or deviant.
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So the perfect girl? No such thing exists.

Dunno if it's accurate to say there's such as thing as "being out of your league" tbh. A lot of average and even ugly guys are with nice looking and very hot gfs/wives. When I go outside I see all sorts of couples. I don't just see beautiful people with beautiful people and ugly people with ugly people.

You never know who might be attracted to you since attraction is not a scientific thing and something that can be easily explained. Even good looking people get rejected at times. There's no one who is universally attractive for everyone. Ofc certain people are generally considered more attractive than others, but point still stands.

So basically, you never know until you try. If you approach 100 different very hot women who might be "out of your league" statistical odds say that you are likely to get lucky at least a couple of times.
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Small number of people united by lack of self-esteem, which some of them blame on surrounding world, instead of themselves.

Their numbers and threat are inflated by media and crazy type of lefties, who consider them a new "boogiemen" and a new go to insult.
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Their numbers and threat are inflated by media and crazy type of lefties, who consider them a new "boogiemen" and a new go to insult.
Which kinda sucks for the harmless ones when you think about it. It sucks enough that you're a lifeless loser, now the outside media hates and blames them for being lifeless losers as well?

It's like the movie 40 year old virgin, but played out as if the titular character was the bad guy and a threat to society when he's just a depressed loser women don't find attractive.
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Which kinda sucks for the harmless ones when you think about it. It sucks enough that you're a lifeless loser, now the outside media hates and blames them for being lifeless losers as well?

It's like the movie 40 year old virgin, but played out as if the titular character was the bad guy and a threat to society when he's just a depressed loser women don't find attractive.
I don't think every virgin over 20 considers himself an incel. Not all of them hate women for not being able to get laid.

The 40 year old virgin was a positively surprising movie tbh. Also, I wonder how he was able to afford such a nice house with a pool when he worked at an electronics store. Granted he was the manager of the top floor, I think? But I doubt working such a job in real life makes you that much cash. Plus he had TONS of action figures and video games, which I assume he paid a lot for some of the rare ones.

His life wasn't that bad, even before he got a gf/wife. I mean, it improved afterwards, but it's not like he was miserable before it. He seemed well set.
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I'm curious: who first coined the term "involuntarily celebate" and who first coined the term "incel"?
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I'm curious: who first coined the term "involuntarily celebate" and who first coined the term "incel"?
Involuntarily celebate was originally used to describe people who had physical or neurological problems that either prevented them from banging, or made it impossible for them to find a partner. I don't know when it was adopted by sad-sacks on message boards, but I hadn't heard it in that context until earlier this year.
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Honestly there's always been those loser types going back to high school, the kind you couldn't pay a girl enough to spend 5 minutes with. And I mean even a below average looking girl. But I've never heard of this term until this year. Before Incels I think they were just called #ForeverAlone since that meme has been a thing for years. Before even that I have heard the phrase permavirgins before, and of course before even that just the term loser.
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Tbh a lot more people in their 20s and 30s are virgins than we probably think, including lots of normal looking people. It's just that it's a rather private/personal thing to talk about and there's a stigma behind it, so most people will not disclose it openly. But you can easily find people venting about being virgins still in tons of internet forums. And yes, there's a lot of BS online and a lot of trolls, but there's just WAY too many people in literally every single forum I've been to in total claiming to be 20+ or even 30+ year old virgins. Mathematically speaking, lots of them gotta have to be telling the truth.

And by the path society is heading down to, by getting more addicted to technology and socialising less face to face... the number of adult virgins will probably just keep on rising in the next decades.

You might now say "that's crazy, nowadays it's easier than ever with Tinder and other online dating apps/services!"... well true. Nowadays it's also easier than ever to obtain video games, tv shows, movies and other stuff than back in the 80s/90s due to the internet... but a lot of people just feel complacent or overwhelmed about all of that choice and end up wasting their time on other things. Maybe this isn't a good comparison but hopefully you get what I mean.

I'm not an expert on online dating at all, but from what I've been told, at least in the most common websites such as Tinder, it's hard for average and below average people to find someone since everyone, for some reason, raises their standards when they're behind a computer screen. I'm guessing because, due to the lack of face to face contact, all they can judge a person on is by their looks at first. And on the internet you can easily check someone's profile and move on to the next one 5 seconds later without ever talking to the person of the last profile you checked. Plus, it seems those dating apps are full of people looking for quickies instead of long term relationships. People tend to be a bit more shallow when it comes to that. Not to mention that, with so many different profiles, you end up having to be very selective. Let's say you see like 35-40 different men/women and you want to pick one to message and go on a date with and all you have is their photo and perhaps a line or two where they list their hobbies briefly, I assume. How many profiles/people will you quickly disregard? Yep.
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Tbh a lot more people in their 20s and 30s are virgins than we probably think, including lots of normal looking people. It's just that it's a rather private/personal thing to talk about and there's a stigma behind it, so most people will not disclose it openly. But you can easily find people venting about being virgins still in tons of internet forums. And yes, there's a lot of BS online and a lot of trolls, but there's just WAY too many people in literally every single forum I've been to in total claiming to be 20+ or even 30+ year old virgins. Mathematically speaking, lots of them gotta have to be telling the truth.

And by the path society is heading down to, by getting more addicted to technology and socialising less face to face... the number of adult virgins will probably just keep on rising in the next decades.

You might now say "that's crazy, nowadays it's easier than ever with Tinder and other online dating apps/services!"... well true. Nowadays it's also easier than ever to obtain video games, tv shows, movies and other stuff than back in the 80s/90s due to the internet... but a lot of people just feel complacent or overwhelmed about all of that choice and end up wasting their time on other things. Maybe this isn't a good comparison but hopefully you get what I mean.

I'm not an expert on online dating at all, but from what I've been told, at least in the most common websites such as Tinder, it's hard for average and below average people to find someone since everyone, for some reason, raises their standards when they're behind a computer screen. I'm guessing because, due to the lack of face to face contact, all they can judge a person on is by their looks at first. And on the internet you can easily check someone's profile and move on to the next one 5 seconds later without ever talking to the person of the last profile you checked. Plus, it seems those dating apps are full of people looking for quickies instead of long term relationships. People tend to be a bit more shallow when it comes to that. Not to mention that, with so many different profiles, you end up having to be very selective. Let's say you see like 35-40 different men/women and you want to pick one to message and go on a date with and all you have is their photo and perhaps a line or two where they list their hobbies briefly, I assume. How many profiles/people will you quickly disregard? Yep.
In a way, Incels and MGTOWS are opposite sides of a similar coin, they share a lot of beliefs in the way women think and operate. They believe in the 80/20 rule where 80% of women only want the top 20% of men, leaving everyone else in the cold. Women only want the best and even if they settle for someone, they're only with them until someone even better comes along. Not my words, but those are their beliefs.

Now if you say for example, well, men also want the best, society is pressuring them not to. With all the fat acceptance culture lately, men are being forced to say 'fat is beautiful' and go for them, while women of all shapes and sizes still demand men to have a certain body type. Men are pressured to be in relationships or married and get shamed for not doing so. Women are independent and 'don't need no man' but then ask 'where have all the good men gone' a week later. etc, etc, etc, Again not my words.

I've heard the complaints against Tinder and other dating sites, but I can't say much since I don't really use those sites, but both genders are just as guilty of the same thing. Everyone wants a hottie. No one says let me boot up this dating app and hope I get a big fat out of shape person, male or female.

But from what I see, Incels deal with those truths by wallowing around in their depression and self-pity while harboring dark thoughts. And yeah, I've seen posts where if one of them says they finally got a date... the rest of them are quick to chop them down and say stuff like 'why bother, she's gonna cheat on you' or other negative stuff. It's like they just want to be miserable and drag others down with them.

The MGTOWS just choose to live for themselves and the majority of them have chosen to get out of the dating field and just focus on their work so they can enjoy a happy retirement. Unlike incels they have been burned from previous relationships, or were taken to the cleaners in a divorce, or have either known friends that have or have seen enough examples around them that they decided women aren't worth the risk of their livelihood. I say the majority because a small percentage of them still do minor dating or hook ups from time to time though they are strongly warned not to by other MGTOW and warn them of the dangers of false rape allegations and condoms with holes in them and the like.

But yeah you guys are right. Watch one incel or MGTOW video and your homepage is flooded with the stuff. It is entertaining and interesting as long you don't let their ideology consume you. Prolonged exposure to Red Pill stuff makes you see the world in a different way. And Black Pill.... well if you've been single for a long time and suffer depression, then that might make those issues worse for you.
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In a way, Incels and MGTOWS are opposite sides of a similar coin, they share a lot of beliefs in the way women think and operate. They believe in the 80/20 rule where 80% of women only want the top 20% of men, leaving everyone else in the cold. Women only want the best and even if they settle for someone, they're only with them until someone even better comes along. Not my words, but those are their beliefs.

Now if you say for example, well, men also want the best, society is pressuring them not to. With all the fat acceptance culture lately, men are being forced to say 'fat is beautiful' and go for them, while women of all shapes and sizes still demand men to have a certain body type. Men are pressured to be in relationships or married and get shamed for not doing so. Women are independent and 'don't need no man' but then ask 'where have all the good men gone' a week later. etc, etc, etc, Again not my words.

I've heard the complaints against Tinder and other dating sites, but I can't say much since I don't really use those sites, but both genders are just as guilty of the same thing. Everyone wants a hottie. No one says let me boot up this dating app and hope I get a big fat out of shape person, male or female.

But from what I see, Incels deal with those truths by wallowing around in their depression and self-pity while harboring dark thoughts. And yeah, I've seen posts where if one of them says they finally got a date... the rest of them are quick to chop them down and say stuff like 'why bother, she's gonna cheat on you' or other negative stuff. It's like they just want to be miserable and drag others down with them.

The MGTOWS just choose to live for themselves and the majority of them have chosen to get out of the dating field and just focus on their work so they can enjoy a happy retirement. Unlike incels they have been burned from previous relationships, or were taken to the cleaners in a divorce, or have either known friends that have or have seen enough examples around them that they decided women aren't worth the risk of their livelihood. I say the majority because a small percentage of them still do minor dating or hook ups from time to time though they are strongly warned not to by other MGTOW and warn them of the dangers of false rape allegations and condoms with holes in them and the like.

But yeah you guys are right. Watch one incel or MGTOW video and your homepage is flooded with the stuff. It is entertaining and interesting as long you don't let their ideology consume you. Prolonged exposure to Red Pill stuff makes you see the world in a different way. And Black Pill.... well if you've been single for a long time and suffer depression, then that might make those issues worse for you.
I hear more the term "redpill" when it comes to politics. Especially the belief that black and brown people are inherently more violent and dangerous than white and east asian people. But I guess the term is also used by incels and MGTOWs when it comes to dating.
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