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I have seen only some episodes on the Youtube some years ago.
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I remember a lot of people being surprised that Pokémon was still going strong after 3 generations. Not that I thought Pokémon would ever die, but I never expected for there to eventually be like 700-800 different Pokémon one day and the franchise becoming the biggest Nintendo cashcow after Mario. I grew up viewing Zelda as the number 2 Nintendo property after Mario, but clearly Pokémon overtook its spot. It indeed wasn't just a mere fad. Pokémon has the advantage of being a very cyclical/generational thing. Kids usually grow up playing it for a gen or two and then outgrow it and another generation of kids will get into the latest gen, and thus a new generation of fans is born. |
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I didn’t think there would be another American Sonic cartoon after Sonic Underground, but I was really surprised when Sonic Boom came out in 2015 and lasted for two seasons (I’ve only watched season 1, though).
I was also surprised that Zig and Zag from the Den made a comeback with a new cartoon in 2016.
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Pokemon is bigger than Mario. I will defend that to my grave.
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I mean, I dunno. As of today, have the total sales of Pokémon games surpassed those of Mario yet? I mean, spin-offs such as Mario Kart sell like hot-cakes as well. And I assume the likes of Mario Golf, Tennis and Party sell very well too. Why else would Nintendo keep making such games if that wasn't the case? Plus, Mario's been around for longer and games like the NES SMB games, SMW and Mario 64 also sold a ton of copies and still sell a lot today on the Virtual Console and such. So maybe that's why Pokémon hasn't caught up to Mario in number of total sales yet?
Lemme check... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ame_franchises Hmm, Pokémon is not THAT FAR from the core Mario games in terms of sales. But overall Mario has sold a lot more copies due to all of its spin-off series. Also, wow, Mario Party outsells BOTH Mario Golf and Mario Tennis?! Well, I'd say Mario is the Mickey Mouse of video game characters. Everyone in the world knows him. As big as Pokémon is, I'd say less grandmas know of it than of Mario. Plus, a lot of people seem to think Pokémon was over around gen 3 and only came back with Pokémon Go or something. A lot of people will be surprised if you tell them that the Pokémon anime is still on-going, while I think pretty much everyone knows Mario is still alive and well. |
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You could no longer trade pokemon from Red, Blue, Yellow, Gold, Silver or Crystal into the GameBoy Advance games which was a huge deal back in the day. The anime under-went a huge change with Misty and Brock no longer being Ash's main travelling companions. The Pokemon games themselves were of a different style from generation 3 onwards in terms of pokemon designs, plot, tone etc., since Satoshi Tajiri (the creator of the first two gens) was no longer the main director. Of course, it wasn't just one or two of these things, but a whole slew of factors which resulted in Pokemon becoming "not cool" and "for babies", post-2003.
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I didn't play Gen at the time. I played the ORAS remake in 2016-2017 which I really loved, although admittedly it took me a while to really get into the game. Like 3 gyms or so in. I grew up playing RBY and then played Crystal several years later. So it was quite a change. I can see why a lot of the first couple of gens fans didn't take it too well to it. Pretty much everyone I know from my generation irl swears by the first couple of Pokémon generations only and doesn't care about the rest of the series at all. Hell, some didn't even bother with Gen 2. For a lot of people there's only 151 Pokémon. |
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Generation 2 admittedly admittedly feels like Kanto 2.0 to me, since it is so tonally similar and pretty much just a direct sequel. I absolutely love how in generation 2, you can send Pokemon back into the past generation, a feature which has never seen the light of day since. I have seen videos of people bypassing the restriction of trading Johto Pokemon into Red, Blue and Yellow via glitches and the end result is a Missingno.
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I like ORAS fine, but it has its own flaws. I don't agree with IGN's classic "TOO MUCH WATER~!" complaint, but it was annoying how moves like "Dive" and "Waterfall" were forced upon you. Especially near the end of the game, being forced to use an HM to climb the waterfall that took you to the Pokémon League. I had to catch a Tentacool and raise it on purpose just to have a Pokémon with Surf, Waterfall and Dive. Forced HMs have always been the most annoying things in Pokémon games, imo. Gen I had its faults too, but the fact it was the very first gen and all of the nostalgia surrounding it I find it easy to overlook said flaws. But man, were psychics a bitch to fight against. |
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Tauros, Snorlax and Chansey were absolute titans in the first generation, and I would argue better than all psychic types outside of Mew/Mewtwo.
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People joke about Rattata and Pidgey? They both evolved into pretty strong pokémon. Pidgeot was a great Pokémon and Raticate was ab east. Boy how I feared his Hyper Fang attack. I hated facing trainers with Pidgeys/raticates/etc. because they always would strike me with sand-attacks, gusts, hyper fangs and ofc quick attacks. Tauros and Snorlax were OP as hell. Who didn't have Snorlax in their party? Mewtwo was caught only after you beat the Pokémon League, so it didn't really matter by then. |
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The article you provided only speaks of product sales for He-man and not TMNT so there is nothing we can compare it too. The only thing I found that we can really compare are the movies that each franchise put out. He-man put out movie https://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies...heuniverse.htm TMNT movie by comparison https://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies...njaturtles.htm This why I am assuming that TMNT had a higher peak, bc they were more successful in other forms of media such as Movies. I have not been able to find data to compare toy sales, but MOTU had an impressive following in its peak, but need to find toy sales numbers for tmnt to compare with the article you already provided. But I have to ask even if MOTU had more toy sales or a bigger market share do you think it was bigger than TMNT given how much more success tmnt had outside of toy sales such as comics, movies, video games? And yes there is not a doubt I am bias But I will admit when I am wrong. Like I said MOTU lack of success outside of the toy line and cartoon makes me unable to believe it was more popular than TMNT given TMNT had video game franchise success and a trilogy. Edit: The only thing I could find was this wiki entry.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teenag..._Ninja_Turtles It indicates that they sold $350 million in 94, I am assuming that 94 is the peak year. My only question is that is that toy sales or playmate sales? or total merchandies? It does go on to say that TMNT had the most merchandise sales up until that point total, but that would be due to longevity success as you indicated and not peak like I was questioning.
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Everyone bought and traded Pokemon cards.
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https://www.alphr.com/life-culture/1...-game-is-still Holy ****. Tbh, I had no idea Pokémon cards were so popular. I recall me and other kids at the time buying them for a couple of years, but we didn't like much the card game per se. MTG was way better. It seemed like we mostly used Pokémon cards for collection purposes, and not to actually play with them. MTG and Yu-Gi_oh were preferred card games for actual playing with. |
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As I said before, there are too many variables to make a 1:1 comparison between the two franchises, because after 1985/86 MOTU had way too much competition from brands like Thundercats, G.I. Joe, Transformers, Real Ghostbusters, etc. Its peak years were when it was "running unopposed", so to speak. Likewise, TMNT was "running unopposed" for most of its peak years. Regardless, both franchises were very huge and that's why we still see them discussed today. I just get a little annoyed when things which are easily verified are held in dispute, that's all. I do remember that He-Man.org used to archive as many old articles about MOTU as they could find, so that's where I would look if a person wanted more info.
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Fortnite. I saw some gameplay roughly when it first came out, and it looked average. Kinda similar to Multiplayer servers for Minescraft, and I thought it would be a game that stayed around for a few months with some success
Boy was I wrong It's pretty much everywhere now. It's almost like the whole Minecraft 'fad' where everyone seems to play it I still don't think it's going to last anywhere near as long as Minecraft has though
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