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Old 07-16-2017, 09:12 AM   #21
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Tbh FW/Nick origin is more acceptable than the comic origin (human ninja master turned rat, rather than being trained by a pet rat who mimicked its master).

So no, you don't get to diss FW you sad man.
I prefer the human > rat origin personally. I know we already have to use a slight suspension of disbelief over there being four anthropomorphic turtles using martial arts, but I, apparently, draw the line at a rat mimicking his master from his cage. lol As it was pointed out, prior to the mutagen, Splinter was a normal rat. He wouldn't have paid attention to his master in such a way because he still had the mind of an ordinary rat. I like the human origin because the turtles are being trained by the actual master themselves and it feels more tragic that a man has to resort to living amongst the rats and stuff.

I guess a good balance, though, is the IDW comics and how they used reincarnation there.

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Old 07-16-2017, 09:14 AM   #22
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How come those of us who started off on Fred Wolf can find things likeable in all other versions.. Mirage, 4kids, next mutation, movies, nick toon (PD doesn't exist)....

but those who started off with mirage refuse to acknowledge anything else?
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Old 07-16-2017, 09:25 AM   #23
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How come those of us who started off on Fred Wolf can find things likeable in all other versions.. Mirage, 4kids, next mutation, movies, nick toon (PD doesn't exist)....

but those who started off with mirage refuse to acknowledge anything else?
You realize FW clearly has some pessimistic people too, right? Sometimes even worse than Mirage depending.

It's because nostalgia bias or some people preferring certain adaptations over others. The Dark Knight trilogy and Batman: TAS, for example, are what some people want out of Batman; others prefer Adam West's Batman.

It applies to everything.
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Old 07-16-2017, 09:53 AM   #24
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Andrew, did you start a second user account for fun and fancy free?
I was thinking the same. Do we really need a second Andrew praising his own views?Aside from creator Dan Slott these new user seem to be duplicate accounts of those users or have been in our e-community in the recent past. I was suspicious of Guile which was why I asked favorite character and iteration. There is also Etsy.
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Old 07-16-2017, 09:55 AM   #25
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How come those of us who started off on Fred Wolf can find things likeable in all other versions.. Mirage, 4kids, next mutation, movies, nick toon (PD doesn't exist)....

but those who started off with mirage refuse to acknowledge anything else?
If I were to take a guess, it's that at the end of the day, FW is a silly episodic Saturday morning cartoon that was only slightly ahead of its time early on in its lifespan, an episode that knocked it out of the park was rare, and age quickly caught up to it even during its life. Meanwhile, Mirage was an overall well-written underground comic series that had a real point, a bittersweet tone, and an interesting overarching theme.

It's not much of a stretch to think that people who started with Mirage wouldn't take very kindly to some other TMNT media.

That said, the original post is stupid no matter how you look at it.
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Old 07-16-2017, 09:58 AM   #26
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How come those of us who started off on Fred Wolf can find things likeable in all other versions.. Mirage, 4kids, next mutation, movies, nick toon (PD doesn't exist)....

but those who started off with mirage refuse to acknowledge anything else?
Vegita-San, you have it all wrong! It's not Platinum Dunes that does not exist its the 1997-1999 TMNT material that has been wiped from memory it was so awful on both ends of the spectrum as the comic medium demonstrated in one extreme and television showed the other extreme.
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Old 07-16-2017, 10:05 AM   #27
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Vegita-Dan, you have it all wrong! It's not Platinum Dunes that does not exist its the 1997-1999 TMNT material that has been wiped from memory it was so awful on both ends of the spectrum as the comic medium demonstrated in one extreme and television showed the other extreme.
Venus gets referenced in Nick.

As brought up in the past though, I think Next Mutation had potential. Venus may be extremely subjective, but the villains at least deserve another chance.

Bonesteel, Vam Mi, Dr. Quease, and Silver are all ripe for reinterpretation. I'm not as huge on Dragon Lord as others, but the others certainly do. It's the execution that squandered some potential.

I think sdp put it best when doing a detailed post on Next Mutation. I myself may end up looking into the whole series to see if it's truly atrocious.
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Despite the fact I was a teen at the time I watched TNM, I still barely remember anything about it. I used to tape the episodes so I could watch it after I got home from school. All I remember is the theme song, that I liked Venus' mystic powers, and that I liked the villains (whoever they were) okay. In all honesty, I'd forgotten all about TNM until I joined this board.
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Old 07-16-2017, 11:31 AM   #29
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Vegita-San, you have it all wrong! It's not Platinum Dunes that does not exist its the 1997-1999 TMNT material that has been wiped from memory it was so awful on both ends of the spectrum as the comic medium demonstrated in one extreme and television showed the other extreme.
I forgot all about Image's run. Maybe I should re read that to see if there is anything good about it.

As for Next Mutation. I hated the boob turtle look, but the actual character of venus was interesting, so long as she was anything but a turtle that was a 'sister' to the guys. Some of the villains where not bad. Splinter befriending a blind man was a rather unique idea. everything else was rather forgetable, and it is rather hard to rewatch if i ever felt the need.
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Old 07-16-2017, 11:34 AM   #30
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I was partly parodying Andrew, by being so outspoken, however I do genuinely believe that it is a shame, that most people see TMNT as childish because of the old cartoon.
If it makes you feel any better, IDW keeps printing Mirage material in severeal different formats while DVDs of the Fred Wolf cartoon ends up in bargain bins.
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Old 07-16-2017, 12:42 PM   #31
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This thread needs to be locked. At least half the people posting in this thread have no idea what on earth they're talking about.
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Old 07-16-2017, 01:07 PM   #32
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How come those of us who started off on Fred Wolf can find things likeable in all other versions.. Mirage, 4kids, next mutation, movies, nick toon (PD doesn't exist)....

but those who started off with mirage refuse to acknowledge anything else?
Who says Mirage purists even started with Mirage? I find Mirage to be the "best/true" TMNT or whatever, but I started with the cartoon (or maybe one of the associated toys or videogames...been decades here) just like most people. I didn't see Mirage until...less than 10 or 15 years ago. But hell yeah it's good stuff.
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How come those of us who started off on Fred Wolf can find things likeable in all other versions.. Mirage, 4kids, next mutation, movies, nick toon (PD doesn't exist)....

but those who started off with mirage refuse to acknowledge anything else?
Your obviously wrong on that. I started off on Fred Wolf and I like all versions (except for Next Mutation and PD Movies)
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If Andrew was to have an alternate account, it would be his alter-ego which still loves the FW cartoon and holds the childhood memories fondly, a good way to let it out without compromising the persona of the "Mirage purist" on his main account.
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Old 07-16-2017, 02:08 PM   #36
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In some ways I disagree even though I am a fan of the cartoons (hence my avatar), but I also feel it's unfair to blame these incarnations. The real issue is how the darker plotlines are not adapted.

However I still hold hope. We are in the era of dark, gritty reboots so I hope someone does that with the turtles but decides to research the franchise and discovers the original comics.
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However I still hold hope. We are in the era of dark, gritty reboots so I hope someone does that with the turtles but decides to research the franchise and discovers the original comics.
A well-written TMNT film with the tone of Logan in the hands of people who have a good understanding of TMNT sounds like a freakin' dream.
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It's not like people always read comics in general. I'm a fan of the various DC/Marvel cartoons or movies....yet I have not read a single DC/Marvel comic in my entire life.
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And it shows.....
Comics are expensive. I only read TMNT comics and buy Usagi trades and even that adds up over time. I also have entire comic drawers filled with Mirage, Archie, IDW, etc. TMNT comics and it's in stacks.

I can't imagine people who have DC, Marvel, etc. comics on top of that. How the hell do people have the money for all this? You'd have to cut back on other stuff too like movies, tv shows, videogames, or toys, etc. if you constantly buy comics.
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