Mutant Mayhem Box Office Prediction

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Oooch, second weekend is over and it's only hit 72 domestically, with only 22 internationally? It's best hope is to break even, at this point. Weekend #3, the theaters are going to be swallowing up most of that box office and the international dollars aren't really saving the day here.

Yeah pretty much. I'm trying to be smooth about it for the virtue signalers who want to post stuff like "Mutant Mayhem ROCKETS past $100 million!"

Realistically though it will make something by the time it's theater run is over and it lands on disc. The truth? The truth is that this movie didn't do so great at the theater but it's probably going to make a ton of money on licensing - they put "Mutant Mayhem" stuff everywhere, which is pretty common for this I.P.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by IMJ

Yeah pretty much. I'm trying to be smooth about it for the virtue signalers who want to post stuff like "Mutant Mayhem ROCKETS past $100 million!"

Coupled with the people who will be posting, "Stop posting facts! You guys have been rooting for it to fail this whole time! You guys are soooo stupid!"

Realistically though it will make something by the time it's theater run is over and it lands on disc.

I mean, probably, when it hits like VOD.

but it's probably going to make a ton of money on licensing - they put "Mutant Mayhem" stuff everywhere, which is pretty common for this I.P.

Well, they can put "Mutant Mayhem" stuff everywhere... but is everyone really buying it? Because it only matters if people are really buying it. Like, is that the same Mutant Mayhem April O'Neil on the shelf that was there last week?

[Zulithe]

I mean I'd be happier if it were making more, just on a personal level. But when a film doesn't do well at the box office, it isn't necessarily an indictment on the film's quality so I try to keep that in mind as well. How many of us have personally strongly-rated films that were not box office successes?

It's doing well just not breaking records, I'm comfortable with that! Barbie and Oppenheimer are still hogging the show. My local IMAX is still 100% selling out every Oppenheimer showing each and every day, and all of those are people who possibly would have seen TMNT instead because most people aren't crazy like me and willing to see 2 movies in a day

Another thing... Pixar's Elemental was considered a flop when it came out, but it has had incredibly strong legs and now has made nearly 450m worldwide. The coming weeks don't have a lot of strong releases, particularly for kids movies. It could make a few million here and there for many weeks putting it into a pretty solid position.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Zulithe

Barbie and Oppenheimer are still hogging the show.

idk, I don't think your average Barbie or certainly Oppenheimer viewer would be considering buying a Mutant Mayhem ticket. This was always going to be a "Is this going to catch on with the kids or is it not?" thing, period.

[Zulithe]

Well, I think adults dragging their kids to see this (as opposed to kids dragging adults, as with a lot of animated films) is a factor to think about too... I know a lot of adults are seeing this. Clearly not enough though Or maybe more than enough, depending on your position.

Numbers don't lie. I'm not sitting here claiming it's a smashing success. But based on its relatively low budget, plus more merch tie-ins than a typical movie, helps it.

The TMNT basic figs have been the #1 selling action figure on amazon for a while, so they are moving.

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Well, they can put "Mutant Mayhem" stuff everywhere... but is everyone really buying it? Because it only matters if people are really buying it. Like, is that the same Mutant Mayhem April O'Neil on the shelf that was there last week?

You know I think the Playmates action figures are doing alright to be honest.

I can't stand the "Ren & Stimpy" designs and art direction of this iteration of the franchise; but the toys are decent quality as far as Playmates is concerned. The current retail price point at $9.99 a figure isn't too hard to swallow in today's markets. Also, with the exception of Splinter who ships only one or two per case, it's not too hard a set to put together.

And there is some crossover appeal here too. For example, you'll have kids who want "TMNT shirts" from Target, but you also have long-time collectors like Mikey0 here doing what I used to do with Iron Man over at Advanced Iron - market watching all of the merch.

And so, I don't think it's going to be a "we can't keep up with demand!" marketing blitz, but TMNT: MM does have a presence on shelves.

I think it's simple for anyone with the fortitude to admit it - this had some pushback, it's hardly the TMNT we know, but there are new kids interested in it and although the movie isn't a runaway success, the marketing has helped and TMNT has a new iteration out there. Whether that's for better or worse in the long-term, I can't say yet.

[Zulithe]

Just gonna leave this here

https://deadline.com/2023/08/teenage...es-1235519233/

[Coola Yagami]

Love how mediocrity gets rewarded.

Now make a closer-to-Mirage TMNT movie and give it the same support.

[Zulithe]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

Love how mediocrity gets rewarded.

Now make a closer-to-Mirage TMNT movie and give it the same support.

If they made such a movie, I would support it definitely. This movie doing well helps the chances of something like that actually happening. I think forces within Paramount and Nickelodeon do realize there is a demand for TMNT product with a little more edge to it, it’s just a matter of when it happens.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Zulithe

Just gonna leave this here

https://deadline.com/2023/08/teenage...es-1235519233/

Damn. Then it doesn't even matter if the movie bombs or not.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Zulithe

If they made such a movie, I would support it definitely. This movie doing well helps the chances of something like that actually happening. I think forces within Paramount and Nickelodeon do realize there is a demand for TMNT product with a little more edge to it, it’s just a matter of when it happens.

More like there's a demand for TMNT with more vomit and Ren & Stimpy-isms. These Hollywood types always learn the wrong lessons.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Optimus Primer

Last Ronin game is happening so clearly they see the demand for mature TMNT. I think we're gonna see a mature, classic-style live action TMNT movie once the Mutant Mayhem series' run is solidified.

Here's hoping man. Here's hoping.

[Jeff]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Damn. Then it doesn't even matter if the movie bombs or not.

Rather than be excited the franchise is thriving you're upset it's not tanking. Even if you don't like MM, it's box office and merch success only fuels the output you do like. Such a sad person.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Jeff

Rather than be excited the franchise is thriving you're upset it's not tanking. Even if you don't like MM, it's box office and merch success only fuels the output you do like. Such a sad person.

Boy do I hate this kind of mentality. So in your world, the only possible thing a Good TMNT™ Fan can do when something -- anything -- comes out, is support it or be super happy it's out there? Just reward and celebrate any old thing, regardless of quality? That's just how you end up with more garbage.

[IndigoErth]

Originally Posted by Optimus Primer

Last Ronin game is happening so clearly they see the demand for mature TMNT. I think we're gonna see a mature, classic-style live action TMNT movie once the Mutant Mayhem series' run is solidified.

God I hope you're right. For the most part I liked MM for what it is, but I miss my more mature Turtles and would die for adult ones in action, be it live action or animated.

edit: And without terrible looking designs or stupid choices. Don't go finally giving us just one for older fans and then eff it over with that.

[Jeff]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Boy do I hate this kind of mentality. So in your world, the only possible thing a Good TMNT™ Fan can do when something -- anything -- comes out, is support it or be super happy it's out there? Just reward and celebrate any old thing, regardless of quality? That's just how you end up with more garbage.

Why? I wasn't the biggest fan of the 2012 series but it definitely helped with TMNTs popularity and must have had a positive influence on the IDW run which I love.

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by Zulithe

Just gonna leave this here

https://deadline.com/2023/08/teenage...es-1235519233/

What do you mean "Just gonna leave this here"? That's something you say when you think you are being cocky over some kind of information victory.... yet this is exactly what we have been saying about TMNT as an I.P. always being a licensing machine.

The article is fine, but what "victory" do you think you have here? smh

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Damn. Then it doesn't even matter if the movie bombs or not.

Yeah. That was my whole point when illustrating that this movie can fail - kids will still buy TMNT toys to some extent. And the licensing push for this was much larger than Rise ever got and we all know how that cartoon went.

I've got to be honest, Zulithe's context from his post was some deeply pathetic $#!( there, man. Not only did he throw out some contextual "victory" (over what exactly?), but it's a dishonest victory - even worse when it's posted literally within posts of our honest discussion about the licensing, which indicates that the movie isn't exactly on fire but the marketing will bolster it.

If anything he "just left that there" and bolstered everything we said and nothing he said. God some of you guys need a few life victories to go along with the psychotropics. F'n Napolean Dynamite-style fandom, man. LMFAO - "just gonna leave this here". Yeah. You go king. You slay. SMH

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by IMJ

Yeah. That was my whole point when illustrating that this movie can fail - kids will still buy TMNT toys to some extent. And the licensing push for this was much larger than Rise ever got and we all know how that cartoon went.

I'm surprised. They sure as hell didn't buy the Rise figures.

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

I'm surprised. They sure as hell didn't buy the Rise figures.

Well that was also my point - nothing from Rise sold. Because not only was it a failed show on a scale far deeper than a quality-debate about MM; but the marketing push for Rise was not that of a Hollywood licensing deal. Mutant Mayhem proves that you can have a movie not pulling "cultural weight" at the box office, but with the right licensing, it can make money for an I.P.

Which also goes back to the depth of stupidity of Zulithe's post given his "I'm just gonna leave this here" context. Seriously that was too far for me. F'n fool nonsense right there - true savant stupidity. Year's of seeing that guy post yet to watch him go off the deep end over this debatably $#!((y movie, of all things. SMFH
"I'm just gonna leave this here". Combined with "Jeff's" mouth. GTFOH little boys.

[Cowabung-Gal]

Originally Posted by Jeff

Why? I wasn't the biggest fan of the 2012 series but it definitely helped with TMNTs popularity and must have had a positive influence on the IDW run which I love.

Except in the 2012 series, Splinter wasn’t a laughable loser like he was in MM, and while April was aged down to a teenager, she wasn’t obese and she had a pretty face instead of a Picasso-esque face. 2012 Donnie didn’t sound like a ten year old and at least he was a gadgeteer genius instead of just some four-eyed geek who made TikTok videos and watched anime. 2012 Mikey stood out as the funny one, whereas all of the MM turtles are pretty much the same personality-wise, or at least that’s what the critics (or at least the ones who aren’t kissing Paramount’s butt) are saying. And most importantly, the turtles’ connection to Hamato Yoshi and Oroku Saki wasn’t completely erased like it was in MM. Were there deviations in the 2012 series? Yes, but they weren’t perversions (except Donnie X April, that was definitely a perversion).