Multiverse count!

[ToTheNines]

Thought this might be a neat thread. Let's try to count how many seperate dimensions there are in the TMNT Multiverse. I'll just throw up a couple to get started since I got work super early tomorrow, but let me know what else should go on the list and I'll update whenever possible.

Despite my personal opinion, I'm splitting up the movies, next mutation and TMNT just to avoid that argument. Feel free to get fired up about anything else, but I'm quite sick of that one in particular.

If anything's in the gray area, I'll more than likely just split them up just to see how high a number we can reach. Here goes:

1. Mirage (Image)
2. Fred Wolf Cartoon
3. 4kids Cartoon
4. New Line Movies
5. The Next Mutation
6. TMNT (2007)
7. Archie's TMNT Adventures
8. IDW Comics
9. Nickelodeon Cartoon
10. Michael Zulli Comics
11. Hedden and McWeeny Comics
12. Mark Bode Comics
13. Mark Martin Comics
14. Same as it Never Was
15. 1990's Konami Games
16. Tournament Fighters Super Nintendo
17. 2000's Konami Games
18. Legend of the SuperMutants OVA
19. Playmates Toys
20. Smash-Up
21. Operation Blue Line
22. Matt Howarth Comics
23. Turtle Prime branch-off
24. Coming Out of Their Shells/Turtle Tunes/Turtles Christmas and other musicals
25. Dreamwave Comics
26. Super Turtles
27. Lightning Comics' "Creed" comic book
28. Minsk Publishing's Russian Comics
29. Mutant Turtles Gaiden manga books
30. TMNT Comic Strip
31. The Hyperstone Heist
32. Flaming Carrot Comics
33. Tournament Fighters Sega Genesis
34. Green-Grey Sponge Suit Sushi Turtles
35. Las Tortugas Ninja Comics
36. Palladium's TMNT & Other Strangeness
37. Simon Spotlight's Kid Books
38. Dan Berger's TMNT Letters (official website)
39. TMNT The Official Magazine
40. Equine The Uncivilized Comics
41. The Last of the Viking Heroes Comics
42. CBS Action Zone's Cyber Strike
43. Random House's Kid Books
44. Konami Arcade Games
45. The Manhattan Missions
46. Konami Gameboy Games
47. Bill Fitts' Adult Only Mini-comic
48. Arcade Attack
49. Ralson Cereal Mini-comic
50. Archie Future
51. TMNT: Out of The Shadows
52. Ninja Turtles (2014)
53. TMNT: New Animated Adventures

Your turn

[Jester]

The Super Turtles are one...

If you go by images shown on Turtles Forever there's a Cube Craft Universe...

[CyberCubed]

Aren't the videogames based on those particular cartoons though, essentially taking place in that universe? I know the 2k3 games had slightly altered stories, but that's just because they were trying to cut down a season to fit into the timeframe of a game.

Likewise I don't really view the Playmates toys as their own universe, I just see whatever mutant or character there that didn't get an ep in the cartoon to be a potential character to show up, but we never saw them.

For all we know, perhaps the OT Turtles did have a battle with the likes of Pizzaface, Monty Moose, and Scratch, and the only info about that is on the card.

Also TMNT Hero Turtle comics....

[Jester]

The 80's games and the toys I'd count as their own universes. They introduce characters from multiple universes and tend to hodge-podge. The 4kids based games, I'd say fit that universe...they don't add any characters from other parts of the franchise.

[John Pannozzi]

Turtles Prime/ Eastman & Laird's TMNT (vol. 1 #1) from May 1984

Cartoon All-Stars to the Rescue

Savage Dragon/ Highbrow Universe (the Turtles' crossovers with Dragon and Vanguard happened simultaneously in both their universe and Dragon's pre-Savage World universe)

Big Bang Comics Universe (same as Dragon's universe)

Whatever Universe "Shattered Image" happened in (FYI, Erik Larsen doesn't consider this miniseries part of the Savage Dragon canon, so I'd say it happened in its own little corner of the multiverse).

Matt Howarth's TMNT (vol. 1 #41 and the Haunted Pizza one-shot special)

Flaming Carrot Universe

Cerebus Universe (maybe TMNT vol. 1 #8 happened simultaneously in both the TMNT and Cerebus's respective universes?)

Power Rangers Universe (Maybe the same deal as TMNT and Savage Dragon's shared multiverse)

[Jester]

Originally Posted by John Pannozzi

Cartoon All-Stars to the Rescue

I'd say that's FW, but then again...it could be a splinter of the FW universe, ala the Archie series.

*Man I'm bad. I capitalized Splinter when it's the word...not the mutant rat....

[ABrown]

Originally Posted by John Pannozzi

Cartoon All-Stars to the Rescue

So wait, you mean the original cartoon's Michaelangello didn't actually help teach some kid about the danger of drugs? Well I'll be. I just figured that Shredder and Krang weren't up to anything bad that Saturday morning (April 21st, 1990).

[Jester]

What would make this even more complicated is to work in tangents...

I.E:
Fred Wolf --> Archie
|
V--> Cartoon All-Stars

[gobo]

I cast my vote for a TMNT franchise/family tree.

[Jester]

Originally Posted by gobo

I cast my vote for a TMNT franchise/family tree.

That exact though had crossed my mind...

[Powder]

Originally Posted by John Pannozzi

All of The Below

Turtles Prime/ Eastman & Laird's TMNT (vol. 1 #1) from May 1984
= Mirage

Cartoon All-Stars to the Rescue
= Original (Fred Wolf) cartoon

Savage Dragon/ Highbrow Universe (the Turtles' crossovers with Dragon and Vanguard happened simultaneously in both their universe and Dragon's pre-Savage World universe)
= Mirage/Image

Big Bang Comics Universe (same as Dragon's universe)
= Mirage/Image

Whatever Universe "Shattered Image" happened in (FYI, Erik Larsen doesn't consider this miniseries part of the Savage Dragon canon, so I'd say it happened in its own little corner of the multiverse).
- Fair enough though it's so small I wouldn't even count it period

Matt Howarth's TMNT (vol. 1 #41 and the Haunted Pizza one-shot special)
- Ok

Flaming Carrot Universe
= 50% Mirage

Cerebus Universe (maybe TMNT vol. 1 #8 happened simultaneously in both the TMNT and Cerebus's respective universes?)
= Mirage

Power Rangers Universe (Maybe the same deal as TMNT and Savage Dragon's shared multiverse)
= Next Mutation

No reason to branch these out into their own, obviously it's easy to put them where they fit...

[Master Splinter]

Here's this to help... The Multiverse Collage by Demon Alukard

Spoiler:

-ms

[Master Splinter]

What about Dean Clarrain and Dan Berger's comic strip? Would that be it's own universe?

-ms

[Oniri]

What about that one TMNT/Spawn crossover someone posted here? Can that count as its own universe or does it have to be more than one issue?

[Powder]

Originally Posted by Master Splinter

What about Dean Clarrain and Dan Berger's comic strip? Would that be it's own universe?

-ms

I'd consider it Archie, personally.

Originally Posted by Oniri

What about that one TMNT/Spawn crossover someone posted here? Can that count as its own universe or does it have to be more than one issue?

I dunno, I'd throw it into the Mirage/Image universe.

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by Jester

The 80's games and the toys I'd count as their own universes. They introduce characters from multiple universes and tend to hodge-podge. The 4kids based games, I'd say fit that universe...they don't add any characters from other parts of the franchise.

The 4kids games have characters like Slashurr who aren't canon with the actual cartoon. Plus in the first game they fight the Turtlebot and a Foot Mech, which doesn't happen until season 2 of the show.

Originally Posted by Master Splinter

What about Dean Clarrain and Dan Berger's comic strip? Would that be it's own universe?

-ms

I'd remembered them, but I forgot to ask if there was anything in them that contradicted "Adventures" canon.

Originally Posted by Jester

The Super Turtles are one...

Number 18?

Originally Posted by Powder

Turtles Prime/ Eastman & Laird's TMNT (vol. 1 #1) from May 1984
= Mirage

Cartoon All-Stars to the Rescue
= Original (Fred Wolf) cartoon

Savage Dragon/ Highbrow Universe (the Turtles' crossovers with Dragon and Vanguard happened simultaneously in both their universe and Dragon's pre-Savage World universe)
= Mirage/Image

Big Bang Comics Universe (same as Dragon's universe)
= Mirage/Image

Whatever Universe "Shattered Image" happened in (FYI, Erik Larsen doesn't consider this miniseries part of the Savage Dragon canon, so I'd say it happened in its own little corner of the multiverse).
- Fair enough though it's so small I wouldn't even count it period

Matt Howarth's TMNT (vol. 1 #41 and the Haunted Pizza one-shot special)
- Ok

Flaming Carrot Universe
= 50% Mirage

Cerebus Universe (maybe TMNT vol. 1 #8 happened simultaneously in both the TMNT and Cerebus's respective universes?)
= Mirage

Power Rangers Universe (Maybe the same deal as TMNT and Savage Dragon's shared multiverse)
= Next Mutation

No reason to branch these out into their own, obviously it's easy to put them where they fit...

Bingo. Thank you.

[ToTheNines]

Can anyone confirm that all the stupid live-action musical's are in the same continuity as one another?

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Likewise I don't really view the Playmates toys as their own universe, I just see whatever mutant or character there that didn't get an ep in the cartoon to be a potential character to show up, but we never saw them.

For all we know, perhaps the OT Turtles did have a battle with the likes of Pizzaface, Monty Moose, and Scratch, and the only info about that is on the card.

But certain character's origins deviate from the what they are in the show. Ace Duck, Slash (I think) and some others. Plus all those stupid turtle variants have a little blurb about them. Even if it's a retarded paragraph to help sell a toy, it's still fiction.

[Jester]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

Can anyone confirm that all the stupid live-action musical's are in the same continuity as one another?

I think so...the Turtle Tunes and Turtle Christmas have modified Getting Down in Your Town costumes, which was a spin-off (squeal?) of the Coming Out of Their Shells tour.

[gobo]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

I'd remembered them, but I forgot to ask if there was anything in them that contradicted "Adventures" canon.

There was. While there might have been more than one instance,
I recall the characters Scul & Bean borrowed their design from admitting to being roaches and talking about their king, who is named Kafka (as in the novelist who wrote himself transforming into a cockroach).

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by gobo

There was. While there might have been more than one instance,
I recall the characters Scul & Bean borrowed their design from admitting to being roaches and talking about their king, who is named Kafka (as in the novelist who wrote himself transforming into a cockroach).

Nice.

How about the different platforms of Tournament fighters? Was the story different between Sega and Nintendo versions?