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Old 06-07-2017, 11:04 PM   #21
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For a second I thought Cubed made his grant debut in this thread.
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Old 06-08-2017, 01:29 AM   #22
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Old 06-08-2017, 07:11 PM   #23
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No, this isn't right and it's very unfair for all of the girls out there who have been on the team for a long time. This sort of thing is unacceptable and the school should be ashamed of themselves for allowing this to happen.
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Old 06-14-2017, 10:10 PM   #24
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Because that comment was totally necessary.

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Well, it's true... In a majority of sports or athletic events (not all but most), men do perform better than women because of the physiological differences. I don't know why your feelings are getting so upset over facts.

...But if someone's foolish enough to superficially believe that better athletic performance, somehow directly equates to making them a "better" person, then that's their problem.

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Well, at least he uses sources in the video on the topic, unlike yourself who just throws insults to any thread on people who you disagree with.
I'm joking (or in your opinion "insulting") about the topic at hand, and mentioning that at least sources are being brought into the discussion in the video, instead of just casually insulting individual members who are discussing the topic from the beginning.
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Old 06-14-2017, 10:47 PM   #25
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The average man maybe stronger than the average woman now, but that was not always the case. And it might not be the case in the future.

Our hunter-gatherer ancestors had very little sexual dimorphism.

Also important to bring up, how women have not been allowed to participate in various sporting events. And how when women were allowed to participate, often it was with different rules so no direct comparisons between the genders could be made.

Heck less than a hundred years ago it was believed a woman was incapable of running a marathon. That scientifically our bodies were incapable of doing so.

And I'll be honest, the only event that I could conceive of a trans woman requiring SRS in order to complete in Wells be the uneven bars, for obvious reasons.
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Old 06-14-2017, 11:26 PM   #26
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The average man maybe stronger than the average woman now, but that was not always the case. And it might not be the case in the future.

Our hunter-gatherer ancestors had very little sexual dimorphism.
Considering the effect of testosterone and other androgen hormones on athletic performance, in concentrations found in significantly higher concentrations in men than women, I would have to disagree on that.

http://www.healthline.com/health/low...ffects-on-body
https://www.hgha.com/blog/testostero...-testosterone/

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Also important to bring up, how women have not been allowed to participate in various sporting events. And how when women were allowed to participate, often it was with different rules so no direct comparisons between the genders could be made.

Heck less than a hundred years ago it was believed a woman was incapable of running a marathon. That scientifically our bodies were incapable of doing so.

And I'll be honest, the only event that I could conceive of a trans woman requiring SRS in order to complete in Wells be the uneven bars, for obvious reasons.
I'm certainly not questioning whether a woman wants to participate in any particular sport, but in my opinion, it's certainly not fair for women, when you have an individual who has a physiological advantage with a stronger developed bone structure (not just bone mass, but the angle of the hips for example, making a difference in gait and load baring activities), and quicker muscle mass gains and recovery, beyond the normal physiological bell-curve women have, then have that individual athletically compete with women.
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Old 06-15-2017, 10:55 AM   #27
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Well, it's true... In a majority of sports or athletic events (not all but most), men do perform better than women because of the physiological differences. I don't know why your feelings are getting so upset over facts.
Clearly you either skipped or disregarded something I had previously said.

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Maybe many guys well never get it, but many/most women don't want that rubbed in our faces.
If someone's ego is so fragile that they feel the need to point out 'facts' like no one hasn't already heard it a billion times before, and aren't man enough to think "Hm, maybe it's kind of a jerk move to do that," then maybe they just aught to eff off and crawl into their safe space where they will no longer feel the need to manexplain it to people in order to feel better about themselves.



Jokes and insults have gotten pretty blurry in this culture in this day and age... It's so convenient for people to purposely be an ass and then claim it's "just a joke" out of convenience.
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Old 06-15-2017, 06:36 PM   #28
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Clearly you either skipped or disregarded something I had previously said.


If someone's ego is so fragile that they feel the need to point out 'facts' like no one hasn't already heard it a billion times before, and aren't man enough to think "Hm, maybe it's kind of a jerk move to do that," then maybe they just aught to eff off and crawl into their safe space where they will no longer feel the need to manexplain it to people in order to feel better about themselves.



Jokes and insults have gotten pretty blurry in this culture in this day and age... It's so convenient for people to purposely be an ass and then claim it's "just a joke" out of convenience.
...And clearly, you didn't notice that's why I put wink and lol faces on the post to imply light-hearted humor. What other faces should I have put on there to avoid you being triggered then? Since you are already including profanity in your posts here.

If you consider a random internet person having a few posts about it, in an obscure forum site as "rubbing it your face" compared to the numerous other facets of life (outside of this site) that preoccupy a person in a 24 hour day, then it's certainly saying more about your sensitivities on the issue. Each person has a different composite of strengths and weaknesses in their lives that fluctuate (not just physical strength, but talents, mental abilities, etc.), and people deal with it.

Besides, as much as you may think in many people knowing about the physiological differences between men and women in your posts, you would be surprised how some still find it baffling that women aren't generally, athletically catching up to men:
https://www.theatlantic.com/technolo...re-not/260927/
https://howwegettonext.com/is-gender...y-dc188150f242
http://feministing.com/2011/04/25/wo...e-against-men/
http://www.dailywire.com/news/6072/a...-prestigiacomo
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Old 06-16-2017, 04:12 AM   #29
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To be fair, adding winks faces or lol faces does not translate well into light-hearted humor.

And it's not just some random dude on a obscure forum that's rubbing it in, it's a overwhelming majority of dudebros that likes to continually remark and point out how "inferior" women are and all that "back to the kitchen" jazz. It's not you, but you may unknowingly be the drop that makes the glass flow over. So maybe less "triggering" and more annoyance.

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I think there's more to athletic performance than just testosterone. Male athletes get more financial support than female athletes do. More money means more time to train means higher performance rates.

I'm not saying there aren't physiological differences between a body shaped by more estrogen then a body shaped by more testosterone, I'm saying we have hundreds of years of suppression to overcome.

Culture is one hell of a drug.
And the more egalitarian society, the more decreased human sexual dimorphism tends to be.

Also there are some sports right now that women excel at over men. Ultra marathons are an event that women overwhelmingly excel at. And then there's the uneven bars.
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Old 06-16-2017, 05:48 PM   #31
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So now women are being oppressed by men who identify as women in sports.
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Old 06-16-2017, 08:32 PM   #32
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So now women are being oppressed by men who identify as women in sports.
Most of your anti-feminists shtick is tired and lame, but this was pretty good.
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Old 06-16-2017, 10:45 PM   #33
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They're not men if they identify as women.
And I know you're being purposely obtuse by suggesting that they are.

Genetics is not quite as cut-and-dry as a high school level biology class will lead you to believe. it's a great deal more complicated then a Punnett square or Gregor Mendel's pea plants.
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Old 06-16-2017, 11:36 PM   #34
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Aw c'mon. Can't we just give peas a chance?

Sorry couldn't resist....
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Old 06-17-2017, 10:15 PM   #35
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A few months ago I heard of a similar story.
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-w...g-championship
17-Year-Old Transgender Boy Wins Texas Girls' Wrestling Championship
Seems like it's becoming the new norm. No opinion on it so far for me.
I mean that's kind of different, the transgender boy wanted to wrestle against other boys but was't allowed to.
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I mean that's kind of different, the transgender boy wanted to wrestle against other boys but was't allowed to.
Similar in that it involves high school sports and transgender students.
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They're not men if they identify as women.
And I know you're being purposely obtuse by suggesting that they are.

Genetics is not quite as cut-and-dry as a high school level biology class will lead you to believe. it's a great deal more complicated then a Punnett square or Gregor Mendel's pea plants.
In my opinion, unless someone fully transitions into the gender they identify as (meaning they look and sound like the gender they identify as and not as their given gender), then I consider them as their given gender and not their identified gender. I get that juveniles can't fully transition due to age issues, but even in that instance, I would consider them their given gender until they fully transition.

And speaking of that, this boy shouldn't have won because he is not a girl. He's a boy and only grew his hair out to make him look like a woman.

Women have their own sports teams and men have their own sports teams which I think is fine. Look at the WNBA and how originally women weren't seen as being able to play basketball. Heck, my cousin played for a women's football team in Michigan and even coached it for a time before giving up on it because it was too much work and she was getting injured. I think it would be cool for there to be women's football if they want to play it either in high school, college, or professionally.
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In my opinion, unless someone fully transitions into the gender they identify as (meaning they look and sound like the gender they identify as and not as their given gender), then I consider them as their given gender and not their identified gender. I get that juveniles can't fully transition due to age issues, but even in that instance, I would consider them their given gender until they fully transition.

And speaking of that, this boy shouldn't have won because he is not a girl. He's a boy and only grew his hair out to make him look like a woman.

Women have their own sports teams and men have their own sports teams which I think is fine. Look at the WNBA and how originally women weren't seen as being able to play basketball. Heck, my cousin played for a women's football team in Michigan and even coached it for a time before giving up on it because it was too much work and she was getting injured. I think it would be cool for there to be women's football if they want to play it either in high school, college, or professionally.
Agreed. This kid could even be a trans-trender, somebody who adopts the persona of trans because they think it's cool and trendy or is craving the extra attention. I've read elsewhere that this kid is kind of unexceptional on the boys' team, but on the girls,' he blew them away.

And besides, I don't think transitioning is going to be the easy answer he'll think it is. There seems to be this growing trend of 'If I don't have the stereotypical interests/personality/whatever of a male/female, then I must be the opposite gender!' It's like gender roles and gender stereotypes on steroids, only it's medicalized now and people get pushed into hormones and transitioning rather then getting to the root of exactly why they feel this way.
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They're not men if they identify as women.
And I know you're being purposely obtuse by suggesting that they are.

Genetics is not quite as cut-and-dry as a high school level biology class will lead you to believe. it's a great deal more complicated then a Punnett square or Gregor Mendel's pea plants.
But she's actually, really a dude. He can call himself a girl, sit to pee and eventually mutilate himself but he will in fact, always be a male. All he really is is delusional.
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