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Old 05-26-2022, 07:21 PM   #2381
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I wonder if next issue he'll donate most of his money to the poor since that seems to be the left's answer to everything.

Or maybe Batman will step down and let Signal be the new Batman cause BLM.

I mean this is the same guy that saved the Joker from death row cause he was actually innocent of that particular crime when he coulda sit back and let him die in exchange for all the other crimes he actually did commit. And now he's saying the only reason he's not letting joker die is because 'how will he explain it to the kids'.

I hate new writers that don't understand the character they're writing. Like this isn't Harper Row or Kite Man, it's ****ing Batman. How do you not understand Batman?
I think it's time to stop reading and caring about these comics. This isn't the first time DC's ruined Batman or any of its other characters, and this isn't the last time. The best thing to do is 1) stop giving them money by buying this stuff, and 2) stop giving them attention that they use as publicity to get $$$ and virtue signaling brownie points.
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Old 05-26-2022, 07:42 PM   #2382
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I think it's time to stop reading and caring about these comics. This isn't the first time DC's ruined Batman or any of its other characters, and this isn't the last time. The best thing to do is 1) stop giving them money by buying this stuff, and 2) stop giving them attention that they use as publicity to get $$$ and virtue signaling brownie points.
I have stopped. I've mostly been reading the 90s Legend of the Dark Knight series and tracking down all the old Batman and Detective comics I owned in my childhood.
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Old 05-26-2022, 09:28 PM   #2383
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I have stopped. I've mostly been reading the 90s Legend of the Dark Knight series and tracking down all the old Batman and Detective comics I owned in my childhood.
I am currently doing just that! What have you picked up of late?
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Old 05-26-2022, 10:15 PM   #2384
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I am currently doing just that! What have you picked up of late?
Recently I picked up 'Masks', 'Going Sane' and 'Faith' (these are all Legends of the Dark Knight stories btw). The funny part is I accidentally picked up Faith part 2 twice, and when I went to a comic sale, I finally found part 3 as well as a box full of spare part 2s.

I'll be reading and reviewing those soon. I also picked up Batgirl (Cassie Cain) 6-part mini-series (only 5 parts though, but I will not rest until I find part 6), some Tomb Raider comics and The Magdalena.

I've been having a lot of fun going back to the 80's, 90's and early 2000's.

I review em on my blog so I can kinda capture that 'first time read' surprise feeling.
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Recently I picked up 'Masks', 'Going Sane' and 'Faith' (these are all Legends of the Dark Knight stories btw). The funny part is I accidentally picked up Faith part 2 twice, and when I went to a comic sale, I finally found part 3 as well as a box full of spare part 2s.

I'll be reading and reviewing those soon. I also picked up Batgirl (Cassie Cain) 6-part mini-series (only 5 parts though, but I will not rest until I find part 6), some Tomb Raider comics and The Magdalena.

I've been having a lot of fun going back to the 80's, 90's and early 2000's.

I review em on my blog so I can kinda capture that 'first time read' surprise feeling.
I guess by now you guessed I am a late Silver and Bronze Age DC guy, I love tone and character set of the time. I remember when Legends was around #150, but never bought it. The main thing is its because I prefer it involve Dick Grayson, Barbara Gordon, and The Bat Rogues. However, between last December through last month I finished my best of Legends of The Dark Knight set. This is what I picked up:
LotDK#1-5,11-15,28-30,65-68,79,100, 109-111,127-131,137-145,149-153,192-196, 201-203, Annual#5, Halloween Special'93,'94,'95

I also have been building my back issue run of Detective Comics getting issues #372-#388, only missing 'Tec#385. I plan on getting Detective Comics#371 and #385 at Heroes Con next month. Both are early Batgirl appearances.

I use comics for escapism, but Liberals have ruined my enjoyment that was left from when the New 52 came out one month after IDW's title launched. So I responded by using my disposable income that was on comics on bargain hunting the back issue bin.
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I don't follow DC that close anymore but is DC trying to make War World like it was depicted in Justice League as a desolate planet with intergalactic gladiatorial games and Mongul the dictator?

Also, you all should give Batman/Superman: World's Finest a read. It's great!
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I'm not reading anything current but that is generally the point of Warworld, yes.

The Jurgens run in Adventures of Superman in the late-80s did a fantastic job with the WarWorld arc, and it had repercussions in the books for many years. Terrific stuff.
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I'm not reading anything current but that is generally the point of Warworld, yes.

The Jurgens run in Adventures of Superman in the late-80s did a fantastic job with the WarWorld arc, and it had repercussions in the books for many years. Terrific stuff.
I was surprised to see that WarWorld was essentially The Death Star in DCCP#27 instead of a desolate planet which featured intergalactic gladiatorial games due to the cartoon. However, it reads like you are suggesting the concept changed before this current storyline? Also, Dregga was not a part of the WarWorld storyline was he? All I know is he was an actual character who appeared in the early 90s'.

The Waid book is closer to my late Silver/Bronze Age preferences, but I think you should at least read it online to see if its any good to you.

One thing I find odd is how ever since the 1990s' the structure of story in comics has been arcs, a single story told across 4 to 6 issues, essentially writing to trade paperback. However, the sales charts suggest only Watchmen and The Killing Joke, which continue to appear in the top 750 sales chart and a pair of Beast Boy graphic novels even charted. So why is the format to write thinking of trade paper back collection when its not selling in that format?
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*Draaga, I believe you mean. And yes, he was Mongul's Champion until Superman beat him, starting a whole vendetta.

https://superman.fandom.com/wiki/Draaga

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Draaga was an alien warrior and the favored combatant of Warworld in service to Mongul. Draaga participated in many of Mongul's gladiatorial fights and was the undisputed champion until the day that Superman came to Warworld. Superman defeated Draaga, but refused to take his life (as per the terms of the contest). Rather than showing gratitude however, Draaga was furious. He felt that Superman's decision to spare his life was an insult to his honor. Draaga committed himself to avenging his honor by one day defeating the Man of Steel.
He eventually did a babyface turn during "Panic in the Sky" and gave his life to help Superman stop Brainiac's invasion of Earth.

At that point, the Post-Crisis Superman had never been a member of the Justice League. It was his role in leading the entire contingent of Earth's super-heroes against the Brainiac invasion that led to Superman becoming a member of the JLA and its leader for the "first" time (in Post-Crisis continuity) immediately afterward.

'86 through '94 was peak DC, you or anyone will never, ever convince me otherwise. Tight continuity throughout the entire line and epic stories that had repercussions for years and years to come. You could pull any random book from that era and find a gem. That was the true "Golden Age". DC was never that good before and never has been since. And based on what's been going on, definitely never will be again.
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*Draaga, I believe you mean. And yes, he was Mongul's Champion until Superman beat him, starting a whole vendetta.

https://superman.fandom.com/wiki/Draaga



He eventually did a babyface turn during "Panic in the Sky" and gave his life to help Superman stop Brainiac's invasion of Earth.

At that point, the Post-Crisis Superman had never been a member of the Justice League. It was his role in leading the entire contingent of Earth's super-heroes against the Brainiac invasion that led to Superman becoming a member of the JLA and its leader for the "first" time (in Post-Crisis continuity) immediately afterward.

'86 through '94 was peak DC, you or anyone will never, ever convince me otherwise. Tight continuity throughout the entire line and epic stories that had repercussions for years and years to come. You could pull any random book from that era and find a gem. That was the true "Golden Age". DC was never that good before and never has been since. And based on what's been going on, definitely never will be again.
Oh ,okay so the appearance in 'Warworld' two parter in Justuce League was derived from preexisting material more so than I realized. All I knew was of Draaga's sacrifice- in Panic In The Sky. It's the only story I have read with the character.

As for peak DC, its all about preferences. For you its between COIE and Zero Hour. For me its '75-'83.It has the classic set of characters, a great tone of fun and serious epic, classic teams at their peaks, the DC image is painted by Neal Adams and Jose Garcia-Lopez, and the greatest stable of creators the company would ever have. My younger sibling would be more inclined to agree with you due to his love of JLI, but much of the other media I grew up with was influenced by this period.
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Too campy. No long-term repercussions. Not altogether bad, just lacking in consequence.

Between 86' and the mid-90s, if you read Justice League America, there would be consequences in Green Lantern. From Green Lantern, there would be consequences in The Flash. From The Flash, there would be consequences in Justice League Europe. From Justice League Europe, the repercussions would be felt in JLA. In turn, what happened in JLA affected what happened in the Superman books. And so on and so forth.

Batman was generally its own little "pocket universe" the whole entire time but that was it.

Not only were you encouraged to pick up the entire DC line in those days, you were rewarded for it. Absolutely nothing happened in a vacuum. That's how it should be. If these characters all occupy the same "universe", each book should not be its own segregated thing where nothing matters outside of that book.

In the Silver Age, whatever happened in Justice League stayed in Justice League and those events were almost never referenced outside of that one book. I couldn't stand that. They'd have these huge adventures and they'd treat it like it was just a random Thursday. Nobody was affected by any of it. That was on purpose, DC Editorial always wanted it that way back then because "some kids can only buy one comic book every month", but it always drove me crazy. It was like the Superman in JLA and the Superman in his own book may as well have been two completely different people.

Continuity should be the entire point of a "shared universe". Otherwise don't even bother having one.
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