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I think they're pulling issues out of season 1. Saying there is little to no development is just flat out incorrect. Say what you will about Raph being a sissy or Mikey being dumb but no one who is being honest can say there isno development. And therefore I can't argue this if they refuse to admit that there's a ton of development despite Raph being characterized in a way they don't like. And that's the truth. I hate to put it bluntly but that's all this is about. They think Raph is too soft and instead of leaving it at that, suddenly there is no development either. What's next? Now the animation is poor? Sorry dudes. I can respect how you feel about Raph. But don't drag everything else down too, just to make a point. |
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11-15-2015, 09:01 AM | #82 | |
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Sorry, but that is nowhere near the truth and I just expressed that, PK, as respectfully as I can. If my memory is correct you have done this just as much, if not more. But let's not argue, ok. I get it. You got your opinion and I've got mine |
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But I will admit Raph got a lot better treatment in this morning's episode than recently.
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11-15-2015, 10:19 AM | #86 | |
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What I do know is this, we're at a point in animation where we've grown accustomed to everything. We appreciate the art and the greater the writing or characters, the further we get immersed. This show clearly can pass certain boundaries since Shredder almost impaled Leo in season 1, we saw painful mutations throughout season 1 to 3, Leo nearly killed in 2, onscreen deaths in season 3, etc. Plus, this is the same network where Spongebob aired two suicide episodes, an episode on murder, and so on and so forth; it's also the same network that gave us Korra and Avatar. Anyone who wants to defend the boundaries taken can attempt, but when this show has done it before it can be done. And Happy, the fact you danced around every point I've made or anyone else shows you can't handle this criticism. You haven't refuted anything and everyone who argues with you has provided points throughout the show; I've done that especially with the treatment. Seriously, this argument is getting ridiculous, but if it needs to proceed oh well.
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Happy, if you are reading this, I am not trying to attack anyone who works on the show. I am just typing my grievances. Please, don't take it the wrong way. |
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11-15-2015, 11:39 AM | #88 | |
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Leo- Has grown as a leader. He is learning to trust and accept the opinions and suggestions of his brothers. However there is still much he need to learn about how to becoming a leader of a functioning team as there are times he still acts on his own because he feels it's for the better of the team. Raph-Used to get angry at every turn and would find any reason to exert dominance over his brothers. But like they said they said in the Kicking Shell and Taking named video. Raph is angry all the time because he's the most sensitive. Raph's anger still is an issue, however he now accept that Leadership isn't getting your way all the time. He has been more tolerant of Donnie's explanations, and there have been numerous moments where he had jumped in to save one of his brothers from harm, particularly Mikey as he is the only one Raph calls "Little Brother" affectionately. And has proven himself as an alternate leader in Leo's absence. Donnie-Used to have the meeker personality to everyone else. He wouldn't really have any opinions of his own, instead he would follow which ever brother had the stronger argument. And he would cave to Raph most of the times when Raph threatened him with bodily harm. He also was the weakest fighter on the team, partially due to the fact he would approach battle like a game of chess and would be too busy calculating his next move over what is happening in the moment. He now is boldly stating his opinion in regards to missions and what should be done. He also asserts some clout as a leader particularly with his off shoot group between April, Casey, and himself. And he also shows he does have a knack for diplomacy when the situation calls for it. Which will be only become stronger as he embraces parts of himself that he hasn't accepted yet. |
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11-15-2015, 01:40 PM | #89 | |
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So...here I go. I hope it makes sense In Season 3 we saw Raph mellow out, take the responsibility of leading his remaining brothers. He took over training and made sure Leo was recovering. And while Raph may have appear to lose that toughness he transformed it into passion. Vision Quest showed that perfectly- for each one of the turtles, I think. We saw Donnie let go of the past and focus himself on his family- on what's real and not a fantasy in his head. He respected Leonardo's leadership more and understood his place, and at the same time he respected himself more. We saw him over time become more skilkful, a more tactful fighter, calm and fluid in movement and still very powerful. We've seen Mikey blossom too. He's focused and still doesn't lack that raw, unpredictable talent- in fact, just like all his bros, it's enhanced. He's experienced and often- like in Into Dimension X or Battle For New York- used his insightfulness and unorthadox skill and knowledge to get them out of tough spots. And, yeah, he's still a goof, but he's definitely got balance- more so than in season 1 or 2. And those are just to name a few, really. So, yes, they most certainly have developed. Maybe it's not in the way a couple of these guys want or expected- but they cannot say there is no development. I hope that clears it up a bit on where I'm coming from Am I way off with this, or.....??? And Pk, it all good. I wasn't specifically talking about you And Gold, I can handle it, but when I see something I disagree on I tend to express my view point on it as well. I did agree with you on some points, though. It just seems like every chance some people get they jump down the creators' throats about Raph and I just hate that, sorry. Its not you, Gold, or anyone personally- I really think you're a cool dude. Just making a point (which I guess I wasn't very good at until a few minutes ago ). But I think we can drop it now. You're right in that it's nothing to fight over. Last edited by The Happy One; 11-15-2015 at 03:45 PM. |
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01-05-2020, 07:15 PM | #90 |
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So, I know this is a very old thread, but I decided to watch the Nick show again, and those feelings I had then, came back. It starts great, and then by middle of season 3, I get so disappointed with what is happening to my favorite Turtle that I just gave up and stopped watching.
So, if anyone is still on here, how did everything pan out for Raph in the end of the series? Did it get better or worse? How about Mikey, because it seemed like he too wasn't getting much development. |
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Raph is treated fine. He's my favorite Turtle and I loved this version of him.
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01-06-2020, 02:01 AM | #92 |
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Then you must have very low standards. Seriously, name me at least 3 episodes since season 3 where he saved the day against a major villain.
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01-06-2020, 09:10 AM | #93 |
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Why does he have to save the day? Why are you acting like this is a competition between Raph or the other Turtles? I liked him because he had a great character, funny moments and good fight scenes. I’m not going to remember random eps off the top of my head, I’ve only seen each ep twice and that was a few years ago now.
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01-06-2020, 09:58 AM | #94 |
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Honestly at first I thought I'd hate Rise Raph but when I do watch the show I often think he's the most enjoyable turtle. Possibly because I find him much less annoying than the other 3. Also he reminds me of Boom Knuckles which is a huge plus.
EDIT: Wow Oh wait I'm an idiot. I thought this thread was in the Rise section. Whoops. Okay so 2k12 Raphael? Well development wise he did pretty well imo. Because, just like in the 2k3 series, Leo is the only turtle who actually got developed in any significant permanent way. Raphael, Mikey, and Don have "moments" but nothing about who they were ever permanently changed after some significant moment. I think Raph taking charge of training in season 3 is the one real time he shined a an individual. Though I'll go out and say if anything was treated...well...rushed was his relationship with MonaLisa, which came out of nowhere and went nowhere. But at the end I ...think we're supposed to believe they are a couple? TMNT's track record with romance is pretty bad. Last edited by Dejablue; 01-06-2020 at 01:56 PM. |
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And thanks for proving my point, that Raph fans were given the finger once season 3 came around since you can't remember anything memorable about him in the show afterwards. Personally, I gave it till the Raph turns bad arc to see if things would turn around, but they didn't, and I got board and disheartened with seeing my favorite character treated like crap, so I checked out. By the looks of the ratings going downhill about the same time, I wasn't the only one. Raphael tends to be the majority favorite with the public. Don't give them what they want, they bail. And don't bother giving me this crap "oh, they only wanted 5 seasons" or Ciro wouldn't be whining now about wanting to do a movie. |
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01-06-2020, 11:23 PM | #96 | |
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I agree with season 3 being promising, but for some reason the showrunners were adamant on so much of the story revolving around April. She's supposed to be the supporting character, not the character that the majority of the story revolves around. I would start to notice more and more, the interactions, adventures and team ups of the brothers themselves were taking a back seat to one of the Turtles being teamed up with one of the humans. That too could have hurt the ratings. Sorry, but April was boring and Casey pining for her was boring as well. Leo and Karai's stories were exciting, because at least Karai was interesting as a character. Shame, too bad the show didn't have the balls to write off April in season 2 and have Karai be the one tagging along with them. |
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01-07-2020, 03:47 PM | #97 | |
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Also ratings have nothing to do with the show or how characters are handled, ratings for everything on TV declined in the 2010's decade as it went on due to online streaming becoming mainstream and TV becoming less important. Little kids don't have to watch on TV when it was streamed online and put on itunes or Nick's site. |
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01-08-2020, 12:07 PM | #98 |
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Honestly I feel like Casey and Raph's friendship was one of the best things in the show.
One of the worst things was the love triangle. Because it was never resolved. I remember the great NaruSaku vs NaruHina wars of old so I can say with confidence that the writers of this show dragged out the triangle on purpose, knowing it would generate conversation and views within its young audience. Very cute at first in my opinion but I was sick of it by season 3. One of the most perplexing things was April and her powers. Mostly because it was never concluded and in the end it added nothing to the narrative other than giving April a reason to still exist because she could fight. I wonder if they ran out of time and had to cut the subplot all together. They could have done something interesting and made April the queen of the utroms or something, or some kind of middle man between the good utrom and Earth (And you could easily make that some kind of background situation that would steadily ease April into more of a background character role) Or at least used her mysterious origins as a spring board into how the turtles first discover dimension X. But she wasn't necessary for that. We never even learn the fate of her mother, thus her subplot fizzles out into nothing. Last edited by Dejablue; 01-08-2020 at 07:40 PM. |
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