Are Razhar and Tokka underused?

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by sdp

With the exception of the CG show. Dogpound mutating into Rahzar was terrible and only done to please fans. Dogpound was awesome and one of the few original characters that was great in the beginning and yet they transform him into a character we love but he's not that character either? Way to mess things up on both characters.

Are you kidding? Dogpound's design was awful, and Rahzar was a much needed improvement. Besides his personality didn't change between mutation so it's the same character.

Also why do you keep saying, "not that character?" All Rahzar is, is basically a wolf. He had no backstory prior to the Nick cartoon.

[MikeandRaph87]

Razhar still has no backstory as he was renamed Razhar in name only.

As for A-list, would it consists of just five characters? Bebop, Rocksteady, Slash, Leatherhead, and Baxter Stockman when depicted as a mutant fly might make up the A list. You might have an A- category with the likes of Old Hob and Mondo Gecko.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Are you kidding? Dogpound's design was awful, and Rahzar was a much needed improvement. Besides his personality didn't change between mutation so it's the same character.

Also why do you keep saying, "not that character?" All Rahzar is, is basically a wolf. He had no backstory prior to the Nick cartoon.

Dogpound's design was awesome EXCEPT for the fact that it was lopsided and asymmetrical.

Originally Posted by MikeandRaph87

Razhar still has no backstory as he was renamed Razhar in name only.

As for A-list, would it consists of just five characters? Bebop, Rocksteady, Slash, Leatherhead, and Baxter Stockman when depicted as a mutant fly might make up the A list. You might have an A- category with the likes of Old Hob and Mondo Gecko.

I wouldn't list Baxter; he's not always a mutant (courtesy of Mirage, 4Kids, and IDW).

A-List? Off the top of my head: Rocksteady, Bebop, Slash, Leatherhead. I'd also add Old Hob and Tiger Claw to that list, because although they're exclusive to a single iteration, they've been stand-out fan favorites AND they haven't been downgraded to background cannon fodder.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by MikeandRaph87

Razhar still has no backstory as he was renamed Razhar in name only..

???

Rahzar used to be nothing but a wolf mutated for Shredder in the second movie. In his original cartoon appearance he had no backstory and was just a random mutant who lived in the wild.

Nick's Rahzar has an actual backstory (Chris Bradford), has a personality, actually works for Shredder beyond being a "dumb feral mutant" and had a role in the series. Take off the nostalgia glasses, Nick's Rahzar is the best version of the character to date.

[TigerClaw]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

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Rahzar used to be nothing but a wolf mutated for Shredder in the second movie. In his original cartoon appearance he had no backstory and was just a random mutant who lived in the wild.

Nick's Rahzar has an actual backstory (Chris Bradford), has a personality, actually works for Shredder beyond being a "dumb feral mutant" and had a role in the series. Take off the nostalgia glasses, Nick's Rahzar is the best version of the character to date.

I prefer the original origin where he was just a normal wolf mutated, Not really a fan of the Nick version, since its just in name only.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by TigerClaw

I prefer the original origin where he was just a normal wolf mutated, Not really a fan of the Nick version, since its just in name only.

Exactly. There was no need to turn an already established character into Rahzar all of a sudden. There's nothing wrong with Rahzar being a feral wolf monster that could have eventually developed his own character, kinda like Slash actually.

Hell, what would have happened if they mutated Shredder, Hun, or some other pre-established character into Slash just for 'LOL nostalgia!' just for the hell of it.

Actually this version of Rahzar was such a sleek skeletal design that had ninja speed.... they might as well have call him Wolfesbane or some other name other than naming him after a slow lumbering wolf mutant was known more for his strength than his speed.

[sdp]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Are you kidding? Dogpound's design was awful, and Rahzar was a much needed improvement. Besides his personality didn't change between mutation so it's the same character.

Also why do you keep saying, "not that character?" All Rahzar is, is basically a wolf. He had no backstory prior to the Nick cartoon.

Rahzar used to be nothing but a wolf mutated for Shredder in the second movie. In his original cartoon appearance he had no backstory and was just a random mutant who lived in the wild.

Nick's Rahzar has an actual backstory (Chris Bradford), has a personality, actually works for Shredder beyond being a "dumb feral mutant" and had a role in the series. Take off the nostalgia glasses, Nick's Rahzar is the best version of the character to date.

I liked Dogpound's design even if you didn't. Rahzar's design is alright but a little too hot topic for my tastes and doesn't fit Bradford.

Yes, Rahzar did not have a huge backstory and he didn't need one, he was fine without one, especially since his backstory here is basically eliminating an original character the show had made that wasn't terrible like snakeweed or whatever he was called.

|In fact one of my biggest issues with this show is taking established characters and making them totally unrelated to the character they're supposed to be. Just make new characters if that's what you're going to do with them. I still can't believe Hun is Bruce Lee in the CG show.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by sdp

I still can't believe Hun is Bruce Lee in the CG show.

I'm just gonna kick back and wait for Cubed to somehow defend Nick's design to turn Hun into Bruce Lee after all the times he himself said he was so against it. I bet if the Nick show added turtle nostrils, he would still find some way to defend it, despite his huge distaste for them.

[CyberCubed]

How do you people even believe what you're saying with this name only stuff?

Every version of Karai after Mirage was Karai in name only. 4kids Rat King was a failed Bishop clone, is he in name only too? Fred Wolf Baxter was a wimpy white guy with blonde hair instead of a black man. Archie Slash is an alien Turtle instead of a mutant like the other versions. Sometimes Splinter IS Hamato Yoshi and sometimes his pet rat.

Do you see how ridiculous you sound? By this logic every single character used again after whatever series they debuted in is the character in name only. Every character is changed and updated with new series. So why the hell do you single out one show over everything else? Laughably saying a Rahzar with no backstory is better than one with a past. Get real.

[Xav]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

Hell, what would have happened if they mutated Shredder, Hun, or some other pre-established character into Slash just for 'LOL nostalgia!' just for the hell of it.

Isn't that pretty much what happened in Turtles Forever?

[sdp]

Hun was never called Slash in TF and that fate for him was ironic since he hated the turtles. I don't think he would've been Slash had the show continued, Laird hated the OT too much for that to happen. He would've just been Hun as a mutated turtle which is what we got in TF.