Mortal Kombat X

[TheCanadiandrome]

Can't decide if I want on X1 or PS4

[Sumac]

Anywho the 25 years later shouldn't mess things too much for them to adapt MK4-Armageddon like the the ending implied. I hope we get some interesting things in the MK universe and it doesn't rely only on MK1-T characters, but I do hope we get to see Motaro..even if he's a centaur again.

Motaro not only dead, but it's hard to implement such character in 3D game, so most likely he won't return.
And from the look of it MKX won't have much to do with MK4-MKA, which is a good thing because I want new stories, instead of retreading the old ones.

Raiden was a colossal f**king idiot through all of it.

Please.
He was trying to change the future based on exteremly vague visions and he can't exactly see future. There is nothing idiotic about him or his actions.

[Leo656]

I'unno. He did seem kind of clueless for an immortal deity. It also kind of seemed like they ripped the plot off from "Wolverine and the X-Men" (I think that was the one, I'm not exactly up on my X-Men cartoons).

I liked it overall, though. Although I did proclaim "This Raiden cat's a f***ing imbecile" a couple times out loud while my wife was playing it. They could have smoothed the story out just a smidge, but it's whatever.

[Sumac]

I'unno. He did seem kind of clueless for an immortal deity.

I don't see it.
He was working with incomplete information and did the best he could. For example, how could he know that saving Cage will lead to Kahn powering up Sindel, which will lead to death of other warriors? Nothing like that had happened in the old timeline.

I mean, when you know the complete story of the game - it's easy to say what should be done. But when you look at it from the Raiden's POV it's easy to see why he reacted like he did. Also, developers had humanized him, which was a good thing, IMO.

[Leo656]

Oh I get it, I just think the people who made the game could see where a chunk of people playing it would likely call the game's protagonist a moron, and maybe could've tightened it up a little. I mean, yeah, the character had limited information to go on, etc. etc. All true. But, it's also fake, and there's a rule in storytelling about not making your main character look like too much of a putz.

Like, when Liu Kang says to him, "You have killed us all," or whatever it was, I actually went, "Yeah, really, thanks a lot, assh*le." They just really do more to make Raiden look like an easily-manipulated mook who risks everyone's lives - repeatedly - on highly dubious and questionable decisions. They don't really go out of their way to make you empathize with him. And it turns out he's entirely wrong! Nobody ever should have listened to him at all! Everyone would have been better off if he'd never tried to "fix" anything!

Really, it all comes from the fact that the point of the game was to reboot the franchise and create a fracture point for the timelines to diverge from each other, rather than tell a great story. The story was really good, but the one big flaw is that it only comes together because Raiden, unfortunately, makes Every Bad Decision Possible. Because he has to, because if he doesn't, there's no plot.

Don't get me wrong, love the game, love the story. I just see where a lot of people would think they could have done better with Raiden. I agree, it just doesn't bother me as much as it does others.

[Ninjinister]

Originally Posted by Sumac

Please.
He was trying to change the future based on exteremly vague visions and he can't exactly see future. There is nothing idiotic about him or his actions.

He started the whole damn thing by sending an incredibly vague warning to himself in the past. "He must win" obviously made him think Liu Kang, the Chosen One, and being you know, HIMSELF, he should have realized who he would have thought of. Plus every decision he made was bad from a mile away and it was pretty obvious to everyone on the outside, and SHOULD have been obvious to everyone on the Earthrealm warriors' side that they were poor.

[Leo656]

To be fair, whenever I send telepathic messages to my past self, the reception is usually pretty crummy. But I live near a lot of trees.

[sdp]

Well I ended up getting to play DCvsMK and not only did I find it similar to MK9 even the story seems to fit alright with the reboot. Odd how this game got praised by DCvsMK didn't.

I also watched both seasons of MK Legacy. I had watched the first season when it came out but not the second. At first I used to think it was supposed to be a prequel to the game but it definitely doesn't fit very well with the game and it is its own thing which is good IMO. Season 1 is all over the place, and tells you little bits here and it leaves you wanting to see more but its great, it just sucks that you can't see more of the story and only saw small random parts. Season 2 on the other hand fixes this by it being more of a connected story but sadly it was the wrong room, S2 is not as enjoyable because of this. The story is now more confusing, I don't understand exactly when it takes place, the stories aren't as good and there aren't as many memorable moments like the first season had. I'm still excited about the shorts they're doing for MK X though.

[Sumac]

He started the whole damn thing by sending an incredibly vague warning to himself in the past. "He must win" obviously made him think Liu Kang, the Chosen One, and being you know, HIMSELF, he should have realized who he would have thought of.

No.
If future!Raiden said to Raiden "Shao Kahn must win", it would have made Raiden extremely confused and possibly thought of the message as a trap, which instantly nullified the whole point of it. In hindsight it was a good idea to make Raiden figure out it himself.

Plus every decision he made was bad from a mile away and it was pretty obvious to everyone on the outside, and SHOULD have been obvious to everyone on the Earthrealm warriors' side that they were poor.

Please...
His decisions have been justified and only twice they've had serious bad consequnces: transformation of Sub-Zero and death of Earth Realm warriors. But if you try to convince me, that anyone should have figure out that death of Motaro, somehow will lead to death of all Earthrealm fighters at the hands of Sindel, I will laugh at you. Sorry.

Raiden's decision look bad for outside audience because we know how the story unfolds. In-universe he did his best to avoid the worst, and considering that he was working with very incomplete information, I can't say that he was guilty in anything.

Well I ended up getting to play DCvsMK and not only did I find it similar to MK9 even the story seems to fit alright with the reboot. Odd how this game got praised by DCvsMK didn't.

Because, when it comes to number of characters and other content, the game was bare bones. No Krypt, no secrets, no addtional modes, not even alternative costumes.

[Leo656]

Well, if we're judging Raiden by how BAD he screwed up and not how OFTEN he screwed up... well, Getting Literally Everyone Killed is about as "Oops" as it possibly gets. His decisions CAN'T be "justified" because, in hindsight, every decision he made was Wrong. Understanding why he made those mistakes in the moment does NOT make them acceptable decisions. And even in the moment, his logic was kind of sketchy.

Basically, you can't justify taking a Leap of Faith if you end up plummeting to your doom, even if your intentions were good.

[Ninjinister]

Originally Posted by Sumac

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The fact that you came back almost two months later to so aggressively defend a fictional character, makes me sad. Or even after any period of time.

[Leo656]

Ah, c'mon. We all need a hero.

[Ninjinister]

Originally Posted by Leo656

Ah, c'mon. We all need a hero.

Ay, Raiden's my favorite character in MK. And I feel absolutely honored to have worked with his current voice actor. I don't feel like he was portrayed logically at all in MK2011, but I don't feel the need to keep this back-and-forth about it. As much as I love fiction, none of that stuff matters enough to argue, which is why I hate the threads in the TMNT 2012 section right now.

[Leo656]

"Argue", "Spirited Debate", s'all just talkin' to me.

But yeah, Raiden's a putz.

[Sumac]

His decisions CAN'T be "justified" because, in hindsight, every decision he made was Wrong. Understanding why he made those mistakes in the moment does NOT make them acceptable decisions.

I don't understand how it works with you? You say you understand why he did those decisions, but you think that Raiden is still guilty because they've lead to bad outcome?
It doesn't compute. He didn't know that his decisions will lead to the bad events. There was no way he could know about it. (HINT: He can't see future). Yet, he is still somehow guilty?

Let me use this analogy: captain attempts to maneuver his ship through the ice field. He evades several icebergs and according to image from satellite his way is clear. Suddenly, big chunk of ice rises from the bottom and damages ship. There was absolutely no way anybody could had predicted this.
Now question is: would captain still be responsible for this accident or not?

The fact that you came back almost two months later to so aggressively defend a fictional character, makes me sad. Or even after any period of time.

Sorry, but I don't patrol this theme 24/7 just to respond to you in time. I respond to whatever I want, whenever I want and whenever I can. You argued about fictional character too, so my advice: don't be a hypocrite, 'K?
BTW, I wasn't "very agressive" and your feelings on the matter are irrelevant to me. I maybe feel sad that so many people can't into simple logic, which extends beyond matters of the fictional characters.

[Leo656]

It's really not that hard. Lots of ideas seem great on the surface, but then, if you stop and think about them for more than a few seconds, you realize they're not great. Pretty much all of Raiden's decisions in the game were the decisions of someone who wasn't really thinking about all the angles. The fact that other characters were constantly telling him his ideas were shoddy and questionable should have been enough to give him pause. Hardly "no way anyone could have known"; everyone was pretty much thinking he was kind of an idiot from the time he opened his mouth, they just went along with him because, Duh, how could a god be wrong?

Again, I'm sure the game's writers were much more concerned with moving the story forward than anything. Portraying Raiden as unfortunately short-sighted was just a side effect of that. But it simply bears repeating that, for someone or something on the level of a deity, the guy really displays some questionable judgment in that game.

[Sumac]

Pretty much all of Raiden's decisions in the game were the decisions of someone who wasn't really thinking about all the angles.

Yeah, because killing Motaro will lead to powered up Sindel...geee...this is so obvious, right? Sure it is!! Or saving Smoke will lead to Cyber Sub-Zero...it totally wrights itself!!

I think, like some other people, you trapped into false perception of the events. As an audience you're privy to the information which characters in the story itself, do not know. Have no way of knowing. Or deducing. You judge characters, because you know the ultimate outcome and all kinks and twists of the story. Put yourself in the place of characters and think could they know, what you know as an audience, or not?

It's quite simple exercise in imagination and logic, which also can change perception of events.

The fact that other characters were constantly telling him his ideas were shoddy and questionable should have been enough to give him pause. Hardly "no way anyone could have known"; everyone was pretty much thinking he was kind of an idiot from the time he opened his mouth, they just went along with him because, Duh, how could a god be wrong?

I think we have played a very different versions of story mode.
As far as I remember nobody have criticized Raiden in MK1 segment. And in MKII he was also mostly free from the critics. The only major conflict about his decisions was at the end of the story.

But sure, it's much more simple to write "Raiden was always dumb in MK9" and leave it at that, rather than trying to be more specific. That's how typical misconceptions are born.

And, no, I am not arguing about mere fictional characters. It's more about logic and perception.

[TigerClaw]

Check out the new Mortal Kombat X trailer, Which can also be view in 60fps

[TheCanadiandrome]

oh man that's awesome

[TigerClaw]

Here's a new trailer revealing Reptile



The latest Kombat Kast which reveals Ermac, Plus gameplay.



And the latest Clueless Gamer featuring Marshawn Lynch and Rob Gronkowski playing against each other in Mortal Kombat X.