OT Talkback thread- Enter the Rat King

*Coola Yagami* · 09-02-2009, 08:06 PM

Another claissc, and one of the first eps to not have Shredder and still have an awesome villian in his place. And Splinter being controlled to attack the turtles was cool.

*Cipher* · 09-04-2009, 12:34 AM

"Classic?" It was good, but I don't think any of the episodes so far can be considered "classics" yet. Let the series run a while longer before we decide which ones truly stand the test of time.

Also, how did you see this again so recently? I checked TV Guide and it isn't up for re-runs for a while. Is there a VHS release I missed?

Hordak · 09-04-2009, 01:16 AM

Yeah I would agree another good classic episode. Rat King is cool character who grew on me as years went by. Wasn't a big fan at first. I like it in the Red Sky seasons when he rocks the hat & trench coat like in Future Shark storyline from Archie comics.

*Original TMNT Cartoon Fan* · 09-04-2009, 03:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Cipher Classic

"Classic?" It was good, but I don't think any of the episodes so far can be considered "classics" yet. Let the series run a while longer before we decide which ones truly stand the test of time.

Also, how did you see this again so recently? I checked TV Guide and it isn't up for re-runs for a while. Is there a VHS release I missed?

1989 is already 20 years ago.

*oldmanwinters* · 09-05-2009, 10:37 AM

Rat King came across as simultaneously creepy and kooky in this episode. I loved how April kept smarting off to him, like kicking that bowl of slop he was offering her. And seeing Splinter fighting against the Turtles was a very interesting concept. Splinter really was upset that he could be manipulated so easily against those he loved. It's cool they revisited this theme again in "Were Rats from Channel Six." At least that time Splinter got his revenge!

BTW, I recently acquired the UK illustrated story book for this episode. And I also own the manga adaptation of this story. I'll have to post some scans sometime.

*Original TMNT Cartoon Fan* · 09-05-2009, 04:14 PM

It's one of the best episodes of season three. I liked how it was set in the sewers.

01-15-2013, 10:36 AM

OMG! Did the Rat king reply With "You're quite attractive when you're angry. Especially for someone without whiskers." when April kicked the ratatouille Soup bowl?

XD

*Original TMNT Cartoon Fan* · 01-15-2013, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Cipher

"Classic?" It was good, but I don't think any of the episodes so far can be considered "classics" yet. Let the series run a while longer before we decide which ones truly stand the test of time.

Also, how did you see this again so recently? I checked TV Guide and it isn't up for re-runs for a while. Is there a VHS release I missed?

The show had already been off air for 13 years when this thread was started.

Pterobat · 01-15-2013, 01:27 PM

It's still odd how creepy the Rat King comes off as: he's a Fred Wolf villain, but there's something disturbing about him that goes beyond his ability to control Splinter. Especially the crush he seems to have on April.

I guess the whole Pied Piper thing is a little dorky, but even still...

A supervillian able to control Splinter is a pretty cool and scary idea, though. Poor guy.

(I also can't help but notice that Splinter's features are completely different from those of the real rats we see in the sewers.)

BTW, I've never been able to look at the name "Rat King" the same way after finding out that the term was sometimes used to refer to a mass of rats that had become permanently entwined at the tails, sometimes with a lot of bonus disgusting substances. Their veracity is doubted, though.

http://www.weird-encyclopedia.com/rat-king.php

*Icebot* · 01-15-2013, 05:38 PM

I remember when the movie Ratottuei came out in 2007, it always reminded me of this episode, when the Rat King tried to serve the ratottuei to April. I used to think the Rat King made up that word until the movie came out.

*oldmanwinters* · 01-15-2013, 06:15 PM

The thing I like about the Fred Wolf version of the Rat King (at least in his early appearances) is that he's just so strangely content with being lord of the sewer rats.

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Originally Posted by Pterobat

BTW, I've never been able to look at the name "Rat King" the same way after finding out that the term was sometimes used to refer to a mass of rats that had become permanently entwined at the tails, sometimes with a lot of bonus disgusting substances. Their veracity is doubted, though.

http://www.weird-encyclopedia.com/rat-king.php

Good night, that is nasty. Just ewww...

*MikeandRaph87* · 01-15-2013, 06:32 PM

I have always wondered and if anyone knows why,of all the villians to be incroporated or created why The Rat King? There were a few others than this 18 month old one-shot. Why make him the #2 villain? Not complaining because I love his character and want to see him as close to this version as possible. Even if "I,Monster" was adapted in the 2003 cartoon I felt jipped that it was not The Rat King but The Slayer, Agent Bishop's inperfect clone.

Pterobat · 01-15-2013, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeandRaph87

I have always wondered and if anyone knows why,of all the villians to be incroporated or created why The Rat King? There were a few others than this 18 month old one-shot. Why make him the #2 villain? Not complaining because I love his character and want to see him as close to this version as possible. Even if "I,Monster" was adapted in the 2003 cartoon I felt jipped that it was not The Rat King but The Slayer, Agent Bishop's inperfect clone.

Probably because the Rat King lives in or near the Turtles' home turf and has the potential for some connection to Splinter, so it's easy to write stories about him being an antagonist for the Turtles.

"I, Monster," was a nicely creepy episode, though I wasn't really het up about there not being a "real" Rat King in the 4Kids Universe.

*oldmanwinters* · 01-15-2013, 06:44 PM

I know the Nick toon is about to give us a new incarnation of the Rat King, but I would totally love it if we something like WookieDookie Dan's version in official media one day:

http://wonderdookie.deviantart.com/a...King-137612111

(He's got a lot of the Fred Wolf charm but with a whole lot more creepiness!)

*MikeandRaph87* · 01-15-2013, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by oldmanwinters

I know the Nick toon is about to give us a new incarnation of the Rat King, but I would totally love it if we something like WookieDookie Dan's version in official media one day:

http://wonderdookie.deviantart.com/a...King-137612111

(He's got a lot of the Fred Wolf charm but with a whole lot more creepiness!)

It would be a meeting in the middle of '87 cartoon and Nicktoon versions. Just give him boots and a quick shave and I'm fine with it.

01-16-2013, 11:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oldmanwinters

I know the Nick toon is about to give us a new incarnation of the Rat King, but I would totally love it if we something like WookieDookie Dan's version in official media one day:

http://wonderdookie.deviantart.com/a...King-137612111

(He's got a lot of the Fred Wolf charm but with a whole lot more creepiness!)

He reminds me more of Gollum than the Rat King in many ways, his posture for starters.

FlogginMcMurryZombiePizza · 04-14-2013, 07:58 PM

Maybe it's just me but I always thought The Rat King should have been English (UK) since he's so close to being the Pied Piper.
Also... he's just disturbing! haha

It's interesting to see the new 2013 Rat King is a bit more bokor looking... almost a zombie

*Shark_Blade* · 04-16-2013, 09:40 AM

I just watched the episode.

I know April got kidnapped a lot of time before; but when Rat King carried her on his shoulder in the sewer, with the shadow silhouette on the sewer walls and April's hair flipped over.. the depiction is very creepy to me, very well done.

The jokes are entertaining in Vol.3, in this episode, the one I remembers:

1.
*turtles jumps on April who they assumed an enemy*
April: That's the second time you did that!
Raphael: And we'll keep doing it again till we get it right!

----
*Irma offers herself as hostage instead of April but got rejected*
Irma: Men! They always go for the red heads!
*kicks the Rat King*

And I like that the new TMNT took inspiration from this episode. Master Splinter being mind controlled is fascinating to watch.

*Original TMNT Cartoon Fan* · 04-17-2013, 04:45 AM

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Originally Posted by FlogginMcMurryZombiePizza

Maybe it's just me but I always thought The Rat King should have been English (UK) since he's so close to being the Pied Piper.
Also... he's just disturbing! haha

The Pied Piper of Hamelin is from Lower Saxony acording to Wikipedia.

Taartru · 09-17-2014, 02:25 AM

Just rewatched this ep. It was pretty cool not to see shredder in a bit more early episode.

My favourite part was the fight between the turtles and splinter, It was a good concept too.

09-02-2009, 08:06 PM	#1
Coola Yagami Overlord Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 14,012	OT Talkback thread- Enter the Rat King Another claissc, and one of the first eps to not have Shredder and still have an awesome villian in his place. And Splinter being controlled to attack the turtles was cool.

09-05-2009, 10:37 AM	#5
oldmanwinters Overlord Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Between yesterday and tomorrow! Posts: 14,939	Rat King came across as simultaneously creepy and kooky in this episode. I loved how April kept smarting off to him, like kicking that bowl of slop he was offering her. And seeing Splinter fighting against the Turtles was a very interesting concept. Splinter really was upset that he could be manipulated so easily against those he loved. It's cool they revisited this theme again in "Were Rats from Channel Six." At least that time Splinter got his revenge! BTW, I recently acquired the UK illustrated story book for this episode. And I also own the manga adaptation of this story. I'll have to post some scans sometime. __________________ Experience the TMNT Fan Commentaries! Check out my TMNT fan comic, "Nothing to Fear"! View my sketch work! I'm selling some of my hard-to-find TMNT items!

09-05-2009, 04:14 PM	#6
Original TMNT Cartoon Fan Overlord Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Sweden Posts: 10,155	Sewers It's one of the best episodes of season three. I liked how it was set in the sewers.

01-15-2013, 01:27 PM	#9
Pterobat Hench Mutant Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 380	It's still odd how creepy the Rat King comes off as: he's a Fred Wolf villain, but there's something disturbing about him that goes beyond his ability to control Splinter. Especially the crush he seems to have on April. I guess the whole Pied Piper thing is a little dorky, but even still... A supervillian able to control Splinter is a pretty cool and scary idea, though. Poor guy. (I also can't help but notice that Splinter's features are completely different from those of the real rats we see in the sewers.) BTW, I've never been able to look at the name "Rat King" the same way after finding out that the term was sometimes used to refer to a mass of rats that had become permanently entwined at the tails, sometimes with a lot of bonus disgusting substances. Their veracity is doubted, though. http://www.weird-encyclopedia.com/rat-king.php __________________ "No live organism can continue for long to exist sanely under conditions of absolute reality; even larks and katydids are supposed, by some, to dream"--Shirley Jackson http://pterobat.tumblr.com

01-15-2013, 06:32 PM	#12
MikeandRaph87 Jedi Master Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: JLA Satellite Headquarters Posts: 11,134	I have always wondered and if anyone knows why,of all the villians to be incroporated or created why The Rat King? There were a few others than this 18 month old one-shot. Why make him the #2 villain? Not complaining because I love his character and want to see him as close to this version as possible. Even if "I,Monster" was adapted in the 2003 cartoon I felt jipped that it was not The Rat King but The Slayer, Agent Bishop's inperfect clone. __________________ Michelangelo: This looks like a job for the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles! Raphael: Sheesh, Mikey this ain't a cartoon!

09-04-2009, 12:34 AM	#2
Cipher Foot Elite Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 3,454	"Classic?" It was good, but I don't think any of the episodes so far can be considered "classics" yet. Let the series run a while longer before we decide which ones truly stand the test of time. Also, how did you see this again so recently? I checked TV Guide and it isn't up for re-runs for a while. Is there a VHS release I missed?

09-04-2009, 01:16 AM	#3
Hordak Foot Soldier Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: VA Posts: 174	Yeah I would agree another good classic episode. Rat King is cool character who grew on me as years went by. Wasn't a big fan at first. I like it in the Red Sky seasons when he rocks the hat & trench coat like in Future Shark storyline from Archie comics.

01-15-2013, 10:36 AM	#7
shreddinghead Guest Posts: n/a	OMG! Did the Rat king reply With "You're quite attractive when you're angry. Especially for someone without whiskers." when April kicked the ratatouille Soup bowl? XD

01-15-2013, 05:38 PM	#10
Icebot Foot Elite Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: East Coast, US Posts: 3,191	I remember when the movie Ratottuei came out in 2007, it always reminded me of this episode, when the Rat King tried to serve the ratottuei to April. I used to think the Rat King made up that word until the movie came out.

01-15-2013, 06:44 PM	#14
oldmanwinters Overlord Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Between yesterday and tomorrow! Posts: 14,939	I know the Nick toon is about to give us a new incarnation of the Rat King, but I would totally love it if we something like WookieDookie Dan's version in official media one day: http://wonderdookie.deviantart.com/a...King-137612111 (He's got a lot of the Fred Wolf charm but with a whole lot more creepiness!) __________________ Experience the TMNT Fan Commentaries! Check out my TMNT fan comic, "Nothing to Fear"! View my sketch work! I'm selling some of my hard-to-find TMNT items!

04-14-2013, 07:58 PM	#17
FlogginMcMurryZombiePizza Mad Scientist Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Arizona Posts: 1,229	Maybe it's just me but I always thought The Rat King should have been English (UK) since he's so close to being the Pied Piper. Also... he's just disturbing! haha It's interesting to see the new 2013 Rat King is a bit more bokor looking... almost a zombie __________________ Check out, visit, support, and spread word of my original self published comic book ZOMBIE B.C. http://www.facebook.com/OfficialZombieBC \| http://OfficialZombieBC.tumblr.com created, written, drawn, etc by me. Inventory

04-16-2013, 09:40 AM	#18
Shark_Blade Emperor Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 7,902	I just watched the episode. I know April got kidnapped a lot of time before; but when Rat King carried her on his shoulder in the sewer, with the shadow silhouette on the sewer walls and April's hair flipped over.. the depiction is very creepy to me, very well done. The jokes are entertaining in Vol.3, in this episode, the one I remembers: 1. turtles jumps on April who they assumed an enemy April: That's the second time you did that! Raphael: And we'll keep doing it again till we get it right! ---- Irma offers herself as hostage instead of April but got rejected Irma: Men! They always go for the red heads! kicks the Rat King And I like that the new TMNT took inspiration from this episode. Master Splinter being mind controlled is fascinating to watch. Last edited by Shark_Blade; 04-16-2013 at 09:45 AM.

09-17-2014, 02:25 AM	#20
Taartru Random Punk Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 18	Just rewatched this ep. It was pretty cool not to see shredder in a bit more early episode. My favourite part was the fight between the turtles and splinter, It was a good concept too.