The Nintendo Discussion Thread - Page 15

*Kid Icarus* · 01-16-2005, 12:09 AM

Really, the point of Mario 64 on the N64 was a training game of sort, to teach people to use the analog stick. I view it on the DS in the same light. It's release is there to teach us how to use the touchscreen for movement.

My only gripe with the touchscreen control? The circle moves. Make it stay put next time Ninty, and it'll be so much better.

Peanut · 01-16-2005, 05:39 AM

It's not like learning to use the analog stick at all, because the analog stick is a solid form of control. The touch screen isn't. That's obvious when just about every review site/magazine has mentioned it. I've also mastered using the touch screen, it isn't exactly hard to do that, but there are still moments when it seems like the character is completely out of my control. You'll also have to admit that with the touch screen, some actions are a lot more difficult than they should be. Don't take it as bitching, because I'm not bitching, it's still great. There are problems with it. Just because it's a Nintendo product doesn't mean you have to ignore those problems.

*Kid Icarus* · 01-16-2005, 12:01 PM

See, I really haven't had any problems with it. There were some at the begining, but they're gone now. Just today I was zipping around the first bowser level collecting the 8 red coins with NO problem. Like i said, i think it'd be a lot better if the little circle stayed in one place instead of sliding with your thumb.

**ThirdMarioBro** · 01-16-2005, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Peanut

It's not like learning to use the analog stick at all, because the analog stick is a solid form of control. The touch screen isn't. That's obvious when just about every review site/magazine has mentioned it. I've also mastered using the touch screen, it isn't exactly hard to do that, but there are still moments when it seems like the character is completely out of my control. You'll also have to admit that with the touch screen, some actions are a lot more difficult than they should be. Don't take it as bitching, because I'm not bitching, it's still great. There are problems with it. Just because it's a Nintendo product doesn't mean you have to ignore those problems.

Well, imagine trying to control it with one of those broken up 4 button Sony D-Pads. I'd probobly shoot myself trying to use one of those damn things. THey made it like that so Nintendo wouldn't sue them, and now people are stuck with it. I'll take a touch screen over that anyday.

Also, if the DS had a stick, it'd probobly last about 1.5 years since those sticks wear out under heavy usage. I'm willing to undergo a learning period to avoid the system wearing out quickly. PSP's will start falling like flies after a year.

**Barkworm** · 01-16-2005, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by ThirdMarioBro

Well, imagine trying to control it with one of those broken up 4 button Sony D-Pads. I'd probobly shoot myself trying to use one of those damn things.

Aren't those the same D-pads as the PS2 controller have? You know, they're a ton better than the Gamecube's D-Pad.

**ThirdMarioBro** · 01-16-2005, 04:00 PM

I have a habbit of letting my thumb rest on the pad when I'm not pressing it. You can't do that half as well on the PS2's bad, because it's not a pad. It's a group of buttons laid out in a D-Pad shape. It's really distracting when trying to play a side scroller or puzzle game as you can't just slide your finger in any direction. The Cube's D-Pad is a bitch though.

I like the DS's D-Pad because it's a blown up version of the SP's. And the SP's D-Pad was like the best pad ever. That's what the Gamecube's should have been like. Still, you couldn't play anything as fast and frantic as Tetris Attack on a PS2's controller because you'd keep loosing track of where your thumb was supposed to be. It's a bitch of the Gamecube, but at least it's bareable. I miss the N64 D-Pad. Now that was a piece of equipment.

*jeff the cheff* · 01-16-2005, 05:25 PM

Feel The Magic is pissing me off. I can't get past this nightmare level. And I hate that whenever I die, I have to start all over again and play bull, which is really easy but it takes like...forever.

**ThirdMarioBro** · 01-16-2005, 05:32 PM

It was the same here. You just have to do it over and over. THere's no way around it. If it helps, the last two past it are easy as dirt.

Peanut · 01-16-2005, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkworm

Aren't those the same D-pads as the PS2 controller have? You know, they're a ton better than the Gamecube's D-Pad.

True, but how many games do you use the D-Pad for? I've never used it for anything other than...looking at a map or something.

**ThirdMarioBro** · 01-16-2005, 07:48 PM

Puzzle games would die without the D-Pad, but then again, there havent been may since 1998, and PS2 has few to none. DS is looking to change this.

I actually read somewhere that Sony banned Tetris from the PSP because they don;t want it to look like an underpowered Game Boy. Smart Sony. Ban the game that started thr whole fricking handheld industry. Smart way to bring in older games.

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Here are some overall sales numbers this generation. Take a look.

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Super Smash Bros. Melee: 2,662,240
Mario Kart: Double Dash!!: 1,817,460
Super Mario Sunshine: 1,804,207
The Wind Waker: 1,750,154
Luigi's Mansion: 1,591,468
Metroid Prime: 1,264,193
Mario Party 4: 962,264
Animal Crossing: 893,126
Mario Party 5: 807,331
Star Fox Adventures: 797,818
Pokemon Colosseum: 738,117
Pikmin: 669,300
Paper Mario The Thousand-Year Door: 548,023
Mario Golf: Toadstool Tour: 529,655
Mario Party 6: 469,014
Metroid Prime 2 Echoes: 462,424
Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: 411,433
Kirby Air Ride: 393,683
Wave Race: 329,949
Four Swords Adventures: 313,733
Mario Power Tennis: 296,893
Donkey Konga: 294,379
F-Zero GX: 281,938
Eternal Darkness: 280,927
Pikmin 2: 247,258
Wario World: 239,011
Preview Disk: 171,780
Pokemon Channel: 166,966
NBA Courtside 2002: 159,402
Custom Robo: 158,577
Magical Mirror: 121,169
1080 Avalanche: 114,731
Wario Ware Inc: 109,329

Mega Man Anniversary (GC): 199,865
Mega Man Anniversary (PS2): 192,269

Mega Man X Command Mission (GC): 48,019
Mega Man X Command Mission (PS2): 35,314

Viewtiful Joe (GC): 291,494
Viewtiful Joe (PS2): 66,478
Viewtiful Joe 2 (GC): 61,805
Viewtiful Joe 2 (PS2): 18,427

Resident Evil Zero: 433,015
Resident Evil: 480,526
Resident Evil 2: 35,828
Resident Evil 3: 48,726
Resident Evil Code Veronica X: 33,721

La Pucelle: Tactics: 58,373 (Missing December 2K4)

Star Wars Rogue Squadron II Rogue Leader: 873,767
Star Wars Rogue Squadron III Rebel Strike: 472,974

Soul Calibur (GC): 766,621
Soul Calibur (PS2): 708,965
Soul Calibur (Xbox): 509,506

Tales of Symphonia: 279,697

Baten Kaitos: 59,951

TimeSplitters 2:

PS2 270,256
GCN 247,870
XBX 221,535

Those are some good numbers. Capcom should've known better than to think the PS2 version of the two Joe's could outsell GCN's. The audience isn't there. GTA sells more there, but not Joe, or Mega Man. The ports are sucking (rightfully), but the "new" Resident Evil's are doing wery well. I know a lot of other numbers on other consoles can be much higher at times, but Nintendo is doing quite well profit wise. Sega was like at 1/8 of this when they pulled out, and this isn;t counting handhelds (which are FAR higher numbers). Nintendo's fine, and this year will kill these numbers.

**Barkworm** · 01-16-2005, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Peanut

True, but how many games do you use the D-Pad for? I've never used it for anything other than...looking at a map or something.

That's true but I still haven't bought the "Resident Evil" remake because of that pad. I really love the GC controller but the D-pad is crappy.
It's good to see that the GC versions of "Viewtiful Joe" are outselling the PS2 versions. Unfortunately that game is a total flop around here, together with "Eternal Darkness" probably the worst selling "good" game this generation.

**ThirdMarioBro** · 01-17-2005, 12:02 AM

Sh*t. Eternal Darkness is a masterpiece. I wish more people realized it.

*Kid Icarus* · 01-17-2005, 02:41 AM

I love that game... it's about time for me to spend another whole day seeing how many chapters i can get though again.

I might even try being stupid, and choosing the Blue artifact at the begining... The games just too easy when you can heal yourself (sanity and health) with a few quick spells. Then again, I still can't beat the boss in the World War story >_>.

**Barkworm** · 01-17-2005, 03:38 AM

Damn, I just started playing it and I chose the blue artifact. I had no clue what it does.
BTW, are you saying that you didn't beat the game? Is it that hard?

*Kid Icarus* · 01-17-2005, 11:07 PM

XD

You're gonna have a hard time. First time through the game? My advice, restart and choose the green artifact. That makes the monsters aligned to green (Yuloth? I can't remember the gods' names), so they'll sap your sanity instead of life (red artifact) or magic (blue artifact).

Essintaly, they put the difficulty selection into the game. Green's easy, Red's normal, and Blue's hard.

And parts of it are difficult. The part I'm stuck at, I'm only stuck because I can't figure out how to damage the monster.

**Barkworm** · 01-18-2005, 12:11 AM

I'll just try it with the blue one till I get stuck. Since I want to see the full ending I have to beat it with all artifacts anyway.

**ThirdMarioBro** · 01-18-2005, 12:57 AM

Does anyone recomend any good flash movies? I need a laugh right about now.

**Barkworm** · 01-18-2005, 01:44 AM

Why is that?

**ThirdMarioBro** · 01-18-2005, 01:49 AM

Oh, just life in general. We're trying to buy a house, and the relators are giving us hell. EA just bought the ESPN licence from Sega (for 15 years), thus killing their sports line for good, the drive in my DVD player just kicked (and the PC dosen't look too far behind it), and I gotta go take a driving test, and then the SAT test soon. Just stressed out and stuff.

**Barkworm** · 01-18-2005, 01:53 AM

Have you already watched all episodes of "Samurai Champloo"? There are some terribly funny ones that should cheer you up a little.

01-16-2005, 04:00 PM	#286
ThirdMarioBro Tea Time! Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 8,905	I have a habbit of letting my thumb rest on the pad when I'm not pressing it. You can't do that half as well on the PS2's bad, because it's not a pad. It's a group of buttons laid out in a D-Pad shape. It's really distracting when trying to play a side scroller or puzzle game as you can't just slide your finger in any direction. The Cube's D-Pad is a bitch though. I like the DS's D-Pad because it's a blown up version of the SP's. And the SP's D-Pad was like the best pad ever. That's what the Gamecube's should have been like. Still, you couldn't play anything as fast and frantic as Tetris Attack on a PS2's controller because you'd keep loosing track of where your thumb was supposed to be. It's a bitch of the Gamecube, but at least it's bareable. I miss the N64 D-Pad. Now that was a piece of equipment. __________________

01-16-2005, 05:32 PM	#288
ThirdMarioBro Tea Time! Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 8,905	It was the same here. You just have to do it over and over. THere's no way around it. If it helps, the last two past it are easy as dirt. __________________

01-17-2005, 12:02 AM	#292
ThirdMarioBro Tea Time! Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 8,905	Sh*t. Eternal Darkness is a masterpiece. I wish more people realized it. __________________

01-18-2005, 12:57 AM	#297
ThirdMarioBro Tea Time! Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 8,905	Does anyone recomend any good flash movies? I need a laugh right about now. __________________

01-18-2005, 01:49 AM	#299
ThirdMarioBro Tea Time! Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 8,905	Oh, just life in general. We're trying to buy a house, and the relators are giving us hell. EA just bought the ESPN licence from Sega (for 15 years), thus killing their sports line for good, the drive in my DVD player just kicked (and the PC dosen't look too far behind it), and I gotta go take a driving test, and then the SAT test soon. Just stressed out and stuff. __________________

01-16-2005, 12:09 AM	#281
Kid Icarus Foot Elite Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Angel Land Posts: 4,150	Really, the point of Mario 64 on the N64 was a training game of sort, to teach people to use the analog stick. I view it on the DS in the same light. It's release is there to teach us how to use the touchscreen for movement. My only gripe with the touchscreen control? The circle moves. Make it stay put next time Ninty, and it'll be so much better.

01-16-2005, 05:39 AM	#282
Peanut Second Gear Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The New World Posts: 15,422	It's not like learning to use the analog stick at all, because the analog stick is a solid form of control. The touch screen isn't. That's obvious when just about every review site/magazine has mentioned it. I've also mastered using the touch screen, it isn't exactly hard to do that, but there are still moments when it seems like the character is completely out of my control. You'll also have to admit that with the touch screen, some actions are a lot more difficult than they should be. Don't take it as bitching, because I'm not bitching, it's still great. There are problems with it. Just because it's a Nintendo product doesn't mean you have to ignore those problems.

01-16-2005, 12:01 PM	#283
Kid Icarus Foot Elite Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Angel Land Posts: 4,150	See, I really haven't had any problems with it. There were some at the begining, but they're gone now. Just today I was zipping around the first bowser level collecting the 8 red coins with NO problem. Like i said, i think it'd be a lot better if the little circle stayed in one place instead of sliding with your thumb.

01-16-2005, 05:25 PM	#287
jeff the cheff Mad Scientist Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: 122 and an eighth Posts: 2,129	Feel The Magic is pissing me off. I can't get past this nightmare level. And I hate that whenever I die, I have to start all over again and play bull, which is really easy but it takes like...forever.

01-17-2005, 02:41 AM	#293
Kid Icarus Foot Elite Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Angel Land Posts: 4,150	I love that game... it's about time for me to spend another whole day seeing how many chapters i can get though again. I might even try being stupid, and choosing the Blue artifact at the begining... The games just too easy when you can heal yourself (sanity and health) with a few quick spells. Then again, I still can't beat the boss in the World War story >_>.

01-17-2005, 03:38 AM	#294
Barkworm Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,797	Damn, I just started playing it and I chose the blue artifact. I had no clue what it does. BTW, are you saying that you didn't beat the game? Is it that hard?

01-17-2005, 11:07 PM	#295
Kid Icarus Foot Elite Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Angel Land Posts: 4,150	XD You're gonna have a hard time. First time through the game? My advice, restart and choose the green artifact. That makes the monsters aligned to green (Yuloth? I can't remember the gods' names), so they'll sap your sanity instead of life (red artifact) or magic (blue artifact). Essintaly, they put the difficulty selection into the game. Green's easy, Red's normal, and Blue's hard. And parts of it are difficult. The part I'm stuck at, I'm only stuck because I can't figure out how to damage the monster.

01-18-2005, 12:11 AM	#296
Barkworm Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,797	I'll just try it with the blue one till I get stuck. Since I want to see the full ending I have to beat it with all artifacts anyway.

01-18-2005, 01:44 AM	#298
Barkworm Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,797	Why is that?

01-18-2005, 01:53 AM	#300
Barkworm Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,797	Have you already watched all episodes of "Samurai Champloo"? There are some terribly funny ones that should cheer you up a little.