Derangement Syndrome Profiles: Christopher Hasson

[Leo656]

Vote for who? Proven liars, brigands and thieves? Absolutely not. They don't represent me and I refuse to endorse a single one of them. However, I still have the right to observe and report, as do we all.

Please don't misread my point: It's far, FAR too late to do anything about Trump, or Hillary, or Obama, or Bush, or Slick Willy. Once they're in The Big Chair, you'd have an easier time getting toothpaste back in the tube that removing any of them from a position of power. "Impeachment" is a word people love to throw around as if it's ever really worked the way everyone expects it to. The entire system is designed to protect these people from the consequences of their own actions. Nobody's getting impeached, and nobody's going to jail. Not the Top Brass. Maybe a few flunkies, but that's what they're there for, to take the bullets so people like Trump and Willy don't have to.

BUT. We can do more, starting now, to ensure that people are held accountable going forward and those who are obviously unfit to wield power are kept far away from it. That means removing the idea that there are "small lies", or that some lies are acceptable. They're not.

We especially can't be having such horse sh*t coming from the horse-mouth of someone who openly espouses "transparency in government!" like nobody's ever heard THAT one before.

My attitude of "So what?" regarding other political scumbags is, it's already over and done, people could have stepped in or spoken up, but it's too late now. You folks got worked, and that's too bad, but if we're not going to learn anything and then apply those lessons in the future when the latest snake-oil salesman shows up... well, then yeah, "So what" indeed. People need to sh*t or get off the pot, at some point.

AOC is important because she's the latest pretty face, disguising a brain made of oatmeal, and she's not "just" talking about taxing this or raising that, she's proposing things that, if executed to their endgame, would destabilize the entire global economy. And what's her response when even people in her own party confront her with the black & white truth that nothing she says makes any sense? "Like, y'know, like... whateverrrrrrr!" Her disdain for Trump amazes me, because they're the same: Vapid, Twitter-obsessed celebutards who are playing a straight con on billions of people. But again, you would THINK we would have learned something from recent history.

She's dangerous because people believe her sh*t. And I said the same thing about Obama: If anyone truly thinks he or she is a "pure soul", "doin' it for the people", they're a crayon-gobbling fool. He turned out to be Just Another Scumbag Politician, as I predicted. But her... I get the feeling that she actually believes the nonsense she says, whereas with Obama, it was very obviously all spin. The fact that she's so incredibly immature, vapid, and dishonest makes her far more dangerous than he was.

We can't change the past. I'm beyond caring about what Trump does, because he never should have been in the race (and neither should Hillary, but that's another rant). "We The People" let sh*t get this far out of hand, and no, I don't feel any sympathy, because people have to reap what they sow in this world. BUT. We can decide, collectively, starting NOW, that we're not gonna fall for another idiot with a pretty song and dance. We can decide, "We Won't Get Fooled Again".

But see, that's too complicated for most people, who insist that the game's already lost, so hold your nose and pick one piece of sh*t over the other piece of sh*t, otherwise your voice is "lost". Nonsense. If I vote for Trump, I'm responsible by proxy for his actions. Same for Cortez or anyone else. I accept neither credit NOT blame for other people's actions, period. And I also refuse to ever enable the bad behavior of others.

But observing, reporting, and debating are no crimes. We all have a voice, and we should all use it. But I, personally, will never join the chorus with ANYONE who goes to work wearing a suit. That's positive ID as "Enemy Of The People". Same goes for a badge. Anyone who sets a Life Goal for themselves of, "I wish to rule over others" is a piece of sh*t. I'll call them out on their bullsh*t but I otherwise I won't have anything to do with them, and I definitely won't endorse them. That's called "integrity", something none of them have or would ever understand.
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I'll give AOC credit for one thing, though: She recently implied it was irresponsible for anyone to have kids in the current situation, and I'll agree with that 1000%. I've been saying it since she was in diapers. Adding another hungry mouth to the zoo when there's so many people struggling to survive already is incredibly selfish and irresponsible. So, points for that. But it doesn't take a genius intellect to reach that conclusion, it merely takes two eyes and common sense. So I can't get excited that she finally said ONE thing that's fairly sensible. As Snipes said, "The sun even shines on a dog's ass, some days." She never shuts up, she was bound to say something true-ish sooner or later. That's just math.
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I'm not saying anyone should "keep silent", not at all. Rather, we need to ACTUALLY care, and stick to our principles. NOT selectively apply them when we happen to agree with one side over the other, or one empty suit over another. As I've said many times, picking any side other than Your Own Side is step one towards failure, because NONE of these people care about you. So we shouldn't be getting emotionally invested in them, or whether they're Red or Blue. We can't have blinders on about the nonsense coming from "our" side. We shouldn't even be PICKING sides, it's a joke, a diversionary tactic, a carny hustle. We need to be more on the ball than this, and we need to actually apply the same standards for "Our Side" as we do the "Other Side". Because ain't NOBODY doing that, now or ever. But they should.

"Well, these people tell the lies I wanna hear, so I support them." Well, that's great, lube up and bend over.
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I think where you and I fundamentally differ isn't so much politically. It seems like you believe things can or will improve, whereas I truly don't have anywhere near that much faith in humanity. People talk big, but they're ass about the follow-through.

It's like Carlin said: "If you have nothing but selfish, ignorant people, you're gonna have selfish, ignorant leaders. This is what The System produces: Garbage In, Garbage Out."

I can only call what I see. And that's what I see.

[Voltron]

Obama was a lot of things. He wasn't a scum bag.

I was not a fan of his:

Increased use of drone strikes.
Attack on Syria.
Push for the TPP. (I thank Trump for pulling us out)
His reluctance to seek consequences for the bankers responsible for the 2008 collapse.
Didn't do anything about Gitmo like he promised.

And a slew of other things.

None of those are exactly "scum bag" territory. Especially since the worst anyone on the Right ever got to stick was "he wore a tan suit" and "he saluted a marine while holding a coffee cup".

I'd go so far as to say that the drone strikes killed a great number of innocent people, which I'm sure radicalized a whole slew of new enemy combatants. That's pretty scumbaggy.

There's a saying along the lines of "Perfection is the Enemy of Good." It means that if we're going to throw away everything that isn't 100% what we want, we're not going to get anything.

I'm willing to take Trump's administration if it produces good things. It's in everyone's best interest that he succeeds. I can find some good stuff in there, even. And I can do so for any political figure laid before me.

The problem I have is when the bad grossly outweighs the good. Currently, there's plenty of things that should be raising eyebrows about a lot of congressional members. AOC is not one of them. Mostly because she hasn't even been in office long enough to do anything of concern.

And if her rhetoric and policies are what worry you, then there has to be some concessions from the Right. She's a product of an angry working class who are struggling to survive. If it sounds ill advised and "dangerous" to demand what she's demanding, it's just the start.

It was just reported that Amazon is paying $0 in taxes after taking in billions in profit. Trump bragged about using loopholes to get out of paying his. How much are you going to pay this year?

AOC? Sanders? They're just the beginning. We've got an entire generation of people who are mad as hell at what they perceive as a lop sided system that shackles people to poverty.

You've heard grumblings of weird, scary, socialist ideas like universal health care, college subsidies, loan forgiveness, and universal basic income. They may sound highfalutin, but they aren't going to die out. People are going to wonder why some people have a veritable fleet of yachts while others can't feed their kids.

I would also caution against underestimating some people. Trump has zero knowledge of the political process, but he's a formidable opponent in an election. If you're going to disparage a person who just won an election for being short on intelligence, it may spell disappointment or even disaster in the near future.

We can't change the past. I'm beyond caring about what Trump does, because he never should have been in the race (and neither should Hillary, but that's another rant). "We The People" let sh*t get this far out of hand, and no, I don't feel any sympathy, because people have to reap what they sow in this world.

Ultimately, I'm not quite sure what your world view is. You've stated a number of times that you're not particularly interested in the welfare of the general population. At the same time, you seem pretty up in arms about things.

[Leo656]

"Greek Chorus", maybe? Social commentary? I'm not always sure myself. Generally nihilistic with a tiny sliver of half-hearted optimism? I know I have solutions for many of the problems we face as a society, but I also know that most people would reject them out of hand for being "mean".

I'll say one thing for certain: I don't value the rights of people who don't or won't work over people who do. And I don't believe that anyone else has the right to stick their hand in my pocket because they want what I've worked for. If people want those yachts, let them go to school, apply a little elbow grease, and earn them the way the people they're so envious of did. That's the only proven solution for what ails them. "Try Harder".

I've been broke, poor, and homeless more than probably anyone in this "room". Ostensibly, I'm one of the people who should be doing jumping jacks for Socialism and all the "free sh*t" it promises, but I reject it out of hand. Because I've been through "The System", I've seen how these programs work, and the truth is, they don't. "The Government" simply can NOT provide a house, a job, an education, and comprehensive medical care to anyone who asks for it. And they still won't be able to if they raise taxes sky-high; you just end up with more people begging for services, and fewer people working to provide those services - like doctors - because they won't be getting paid. Doctors have already been leaving the medical profession in droves over the last 10+ years because they're sick of dealing with the insurance companies, and most people don't take MedicAid and MediCare. "We get nothing back." People don't go to school for ten years and amass those aforementioned piles of debt out of the goodness of their heart; it's because the promised payoff is a six or seven-figure income later on. Adding millions more people to an over-burdened system is asking for disaster.

Anyway. It was all many years ago, but I've been to Homeless Assistance. "Try Harder". I've applied for welfare/food stamps. "Try harder". My father, my sister, and other people in my family, homeless and living in the car with their kids, OR, sick and dying, waiting to get approved for Disability. "Try Harder". "The System" doesn't WORK. And I fail to see how it'll be improved by taxing everyone into poverty, and capping what other people are "allowed" to earn.

My life was sh*t from birth. The only thing that finally improved it was, I went to night school, got a certificate, and got a better job. Am I getting rich? Not hardly, but I'm a lot better off than I was. The lesson of this story is, you can be "in need" as f*ck, but that won't give you the pat on the ass you think you need or deserve. There's only ONE guaranteed way to improve your station in life: "Try Harder". Social welfare programs are supposed to be a safety net, not a life raft. If we start having the government cut everyone a check just for breathing, then NOBODY has any reason at all to go out and earn or achieve anything.

I don't know exactly what my larger "world view" is either, and it'll probably take a lifetime of introspection to come up with an answer. But I know some things for certain:
- I don't believe human life has any intrinsic default value whatsoever
- I believe every individual's life has whatever value they earn and not a drop more
- I believe that people who work hard and contribute have greater societal value than people who do nothing
- I believe that people who work for what they have deserve to keep as much of it as they want, and they don't automatically owe their neighbor anything just because they weren't as fortunate. Nobody owes anybody anything. If you want, go earn.

Our society may be demonized by some for the amount of millionaires and billionaires we produce, but all that means is that our method really is The Best one. No place else in the world allows anyone to go from Zero to Hero, to the degree that people can here, and it never happens as often as it does here, either. No, statistically not everyone will finish the game in First Place, but they'll still be much better off for trying than if they stayed at home doing nothing, waiting for the government to cut them a check.

What makes America great is that the sky truly is the limit, if you apply yourself. And that's the truth. I know plenty of people who went from being on the streets to doing way better than I am, and good for them. If people are truly dissatisfied with their crummy hand, they can rely on Sacrifice and Hard Work like everyone they think is ahead of them. That's fair. "You have more than I do, give me half your sh*t" isn't fair. It'll never be fair. "We're all only allowed to have about $35,000 in assets per year, because then at least everyone has The Same" isn't fair. So everyone being impoverished is okay, because it's "equal", so long as nobody has any reason to be jealous of anyone else? I'm far more comfortable with the idea that if I make the necessary sacrifices, I too can have that fleet of yachts. And so can you, my friend.

See, that's where that sliver of optimism comes from: The knowledge that the only thing holding anyone back from their potential is how much fire they have in their belly, and where they apply it. Too many people apply it to political circle-jerking when they ought'a be taking a class and working to improve their station, NOT demanding someone do it for them.
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I do think college and student loan debt is a total bullsh*t scam, though. It's all just to keep the feeder lines to the NBA and NFL open; those stadiums and the perks for student athletes are 100% of why college is so expensive, and that needs to stop. It's my sincere hope, now that The Internet has become such a huge part of our lives, that the idea you can hide Education behind a giant paywall will eventually be done away with. In theory, I can click a few buttons and, in time, become just as educated as anyone with a Master's, but I won't have a little piece of paper to acknowledge it. And frankly, that's nonsense; you know what you know, piece of paper be damned.

It might take a few more decades - because where ELSE are the spoiled millionaire athletes of tomorrow going to come from, if not our college campuses? - but I do feel that The Internet is going to dramatically change the infrastructure of our education system. People swear they shouldn't have to pay for music, because "art should be free". Well, so should knowledge.

So yeah, that sh*t's gotta change. I'm with you on that.
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Anyways, good chat pally. I say none of this with the expectation of changing anyone's mind, simply calling things as I see them. Love you brother.

[Voltron]

"Greek Chorus", maybe? Social commentary? I'm not always sure myself. Generally nihilistic with a tiny sliver of half-hearted optimism? I know I have solutions for many of the problems we face as a society, but I also know that most people would reject them out of hand for being "mean".

Got it. I’ve felt that before.

I'll say one thing for certain: I don't value the rights of people who don't or won't work over people who do. And I don't believe that anyone else has the right to stick their hand in my pocket because they want what I've worked for. If people want those yachts, let them go to school, apply a little elbow grease, and earn them the way the people they're so envious of did. That's the only proven solution for what ails them. "Try Harder".

I wouldn’t stand with anyone who argued that either. Obviously, something for nothing isn’t going to fly. And it’s not like those weasels aren’t out there. I’ve had the pleasure of being friends with a LOT of police and fire-rescue in my life. I’ve also been a teacher for a little over a decade. I’ve heard stories AND I’ve met them.

We’re on the same page in that regard.

I've been broke, poor, and homeless more than probably anyone in this "room".

You’re in good company. I know I haven’t been as down and out, but I’ve spent many a cold night sleeping in my car. Got caught on corpse check by the cops one night. I didn’t even know they did that.

Ostensibly, I'm one of the people who should be doing jumping jacks for Socialism and all the "free sh*t" it promises, but I reject it out of hand. Because I've been through "The System", I've seen how these programs work, and the truth is, they don't. "The Government" simply can NOT provide a house, a job, an education, and comprehensive medical care to anyone who asks for it. And they still won't be able to if they raise taxes sky-high; you just end up with more people begging for services, and fewer people working to provide those services - like doctors - because they won't be getting paid. Doctors have already been leaving the medical profession in droves over the last 10+ years because they're sick of dealing with the insurance companies, and most people don't take MedicAid and MediCare.

And this is an EXCELLENT point that gives me serious pause about the whole thing. Who wants all the help of a government ration with all the joy of dealing with the DMV?

"We get nothing back." People don't go to school for ten years and amass those aforementioned piles of debt out of the goodness of their heart; it's because the promised payoff is a six or seven-figure income later on. Adding millions more people to an over-burdened system is asking for disaster.

Anyway. It was all many years ago, but I've been to Homeless Assistance. "Try Harder". I've applied for welfare/food stamps. "Try harder". My father, my sister, and other people in my family, homeless and living in the car with their kids, OR, sick and dying, waiting to get approved for Disability. "Try Harder". "The System" doesn't WORK.

Fair point. I really have nothing to say about that.

And I fail to see how it'll be improved by taxing everyone into poverty, and capping what other people are "allowed" to earn.

That’s not really the argument being made from that side. The argument is that, at some point, you have to leave something for someone else. I can see how that seems inherently unfair.

My life was sh*t from birth. The only thing that finally improved it was, I went to night school, got a certificate, and got a better job. Am I getting rich? Not hardly, but I'm a lot better off than I was. The lesson of this story is, you can be "in need" as f*ck, but that won't give you the pat on the ass you think you need or deserve. There's only ONE guaranteed way to improve your station in life: "Try Harder".

So you did it the right way. There’s no end to the frustration of watching others benefit from doing nothing. I understand that.

Social welfare programs are supposed to be a safety net, not a life raft. If we start having the government cut everyone a check just for breathing, then NOBODY has any reason at all to go out and earn or achieve anything.

Social as in socialism, though. And that’s where the issue comes in. They aren’t great, but it isn’t like they aren’t useful to those who use them properly.

- I believe that people who work for what they have deserve to keep as much of it as they want, and they don't automatically owe their neighbor anything just because they weren't as fortunate. Nobody owes anybody anything. If you want, go earn.

There’s a problem for me here. Because the wages and opportunities aren’t there. If I start a company and sit in an office telling people what they do, do I have a right to keep a majority of the profits while other people are breaking their backs to make them?

And I ask that seriously. Do you work harder than your boss? SHOULD you be making more than him?

Our society may be demonized by some for the amount of millionaires and billionaires we produce, but all that means is that our method really is The Best one.

It’s not demonized for the billionaires it produces, it’s demonized for the way we treat the impoverished. It’s easy to blame poor people for their station in life, and sometimes it’s not wrong. But we have entire towns without drinking water. And it’s not like the residents are working to restore that. They just don’t have the means to do so. And that’s a problem.

No place else in the world allows anyone to go from Zero to Hero, to the degree that people can here, and it never happens as often as it does here, either. No, statistically not everyone will finish the game in First Place, but they'll still be much better off for trying than if they stayed at home doing nothing, waiting for the government to cut them a check.

I can get behind that, yeah.

What makes America great is that the sky truly is the limit, if you apply yourself. And that's the truth. I know plenty of people who went from being on the streets to doing way better than I am, and good for them. If people are truly dissatisfied with their crummy hand, they can rely on Sacrifice and Hard Work like everyone they think is ahead of them. That's fair. "You have more than I do, give me half your sh*t" isn't fair. It'll never be fair. "We're all only allowed to have about $35,000 in assets per year, because then at least everyone has The Same" isn't fair. So everyone being impoverished is okay, because it's "equal", so long as nobody has any reason to be jealous of anyone else? I'm far more comfortable with the idea that if I make the necessary sacrifices, I too can have that fleet of yachts. And so can you, my friend.

I don’t think that argument is being made. The idea here is that if WE, the blue collar stiffs are coughing up taxes, then so should the millionaires and billionaires.

Seriously, they’re throwing around phrases like “too big to fail” and “too big to jail”. It should never get to the point where someone is beyond the capacity for failure or above the law. That’s a limit I can live with. I don’t feel like having to deal with Comcast for my cable without any alternative. I don’t want to have to go through Disney for ALL of my entertainment. I don’t want to go through Hasbro for ALL my toys.

No one should have that amount of control over our lives. Success is one thing. Control over my choices in life is quite another. Especially when Comcast is fighting to make public utilities its own private domain. They can go to hell.

See, that's where that sliver of optimism comes from: The knowledge that the only thing holding anyone back from their potential is how much fire they have in their belly, and where they apply it. Too many people apply it to political circle-jerking when they ought'a be taking a class and working to improve their station, NOT demanding someone do it for them.
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I do think college and student loan debt is a total bullsh*t scam, though. It's all just to keep the feeder lines to the NBA and NFL open; those stadiums and the perks for student athletes are 100% of why college is so expensive, and that needs to stop. It's my sincere hope, now that The Internet has become such a huge part of our lives, that the idea you can hide Education behind a giant paywall will eventually be done away with. In theory, I can click a few buttons and, in time, become just as educated as anyone with a Master's, but I won't have a little piece of paper to acknowledge it. And frankly, that's nonsense; you know what you know, piece of paper be damned.

It might take a few more decades - because where ELSE are the spoiled millionaire athletes of tomorrow going to come from,

I dunno, man. Those 30 for 30 shows are pretty good at making me feel good about my financial decisions in life.

but I do feel that The Internet is going to dramatically change the infrastructure of our education system. People swear they shouldn't have to pay for music, because "art should be free". Well, so should knowledge.

Knowledge is free. It’s the damn certification that costs an arm and a leg.

So yeah, that sh*t's gotta change. I'm with you on that.

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Anyways, good chat pally. I say none of this with the expectation of changing anyone's mind, simply calling things as I see them. Love you brother.

Right back at ya.

[Refractive Reflections]

Originally Posted by Voltron

Why everyone is losing their mind of AOC is beyond me. She's a first term representative. If she takes the White House after a single term from that position, she deserves it. Considering the field she'll be up against from the GOP and the Dems.

You have got to be trolling here. Deserves it, how? Just because she makes flowery, utopia ideals which have no basis in financial feasibility?

Originally Posted by Voltron

I can't wait for rich people and companies to "move" out of the United States. Where do you think they'll go? One of those socialist European hell holes?

Originally Posted by Voltron

I don’t think that argument is being made. The idea here is That if WE, the blue collar stiffs are coughing up taxes, then so should the millionaires and billionaires.

Say goodbye to your job as well (if you live in the United States) when they take their businesses also. In addition to the $15/hr wage hurting the job market, by hurting small businesses and big businesses trying to find ways of using robot labor than human labor:
https://dailycaller.com/2016/04/26/1...esses-fleeing/
https://dailycaller.com/2019/01/08/n...-minimum-wage/
https://dailycaller.com/2018/01/10/j...wage-campaign/

[Voltron]

You have got to be trolling here. Deserves it, how? Just because she makes flowery, utopia ideals which have no basis in financial feasibility?

Because that's a really difficult thing to do. . . ?

Also, how is that any different from what we have now? We're just switching one financially unaware ideologue for another.

Say goodbye to your job as well (if you live in the United States) when they take their businesses also. In addition to the $15/hr wage hurting the job market, by hurting small businesses and big businesses trying to find ways of using robot labor than human labor:

Ok. I mean, the small businesses are already dying. And since nihilism and laissez faire business practices are all the rage, why not just let them die? Isn't it the will of the market?

Also, I'd respect your argument a lot more if you didn't post some far right asshole giggling like a school girl, as though there's no reason to discuss a proposal.

Mark Dice truly believes there's some kind of liberal conspiracy trying to downplay how successful he is.

[Refractive Reflections]

Originally Posted by Voltron

Because that's a really difficult thing to do. . . ?

Also, how is that any different from what we have now? We're just switching one financially unaware ideologue for another.

Well, we're not floundering in poverty like the socialism of Venezuela, there's one difference there.

And we're having record low unemployment and a good economy which apparently Obama couldn't figure out, then again, no one would believe that based on the MSM narrative of course.

Originally Posted by Voltron

Ok. I mean, the small businesses are already dying. And since nihilism and laissez faire business practices are all the rage, why not just let them die? Isn't it the will of the market?

Also, I'd respect your argument a lot more if you didn't post some far right asshole giggling like a school girl, as though there's no reason to discuss a proposal.

Mark Dice truly believes there's some kind of liberal conspiracy trying to downplay how successful he is.

You're probably confusing capitalism with corporatocracy.

I placed Dice's clip there to summarize how ridiculous AOC's Green Plan is (i.e. how cow farts are contributing to global warming, welfare for "unwilling" workers), because all these environmental restrictions will actually be hurting the poor and cause mass starvation as distribution of foods and goods will be extremely high. At least Mark Dice posts clips and screenshots of sources (which usually are from the liberal/leftist mouths themselves) with his video clips. If he laughs, maybe it's just so hysterically out of touch AOC really is, such as AOC saying right out of her mouth that the agenda would provide racial justice.

Then she mysterious removes the "Green Deal" after she was mocked:
https://joeforamerica.com/2019/02/gr...-being-mocked/

Besides if AOC believes the environment is in such peril, why is she not implementing environmentally-friendly practices into her own life?
https://nypost.com/2019/03/02/gas-gu...w-deal-pledge/


She wants to lecture the rest of us about how to live, but lives hypocritically as with the Democrats with their armed guards (in wanting gun control), and walled in communities/homes for security (in stating walls/barriers will provide no protection to the United States).

...But I can see how socialism would be seductive to some millennials on the surface:

[Leo656]

Oh Lordy, for real though. Her "Do as I say, not as I do" sh*t is insufferable, mostly because ignorant people want to believe she's a "Good Guy".

When she drives in a car (and ignores the public transportation she loves to champion) or jets around in a plane, she's "Living in the world as it is." But we're not allowed that courtesy. We're "killing the planet". She's not, but we are.

And that "compensation for those unwilling to work" nonsense blows my mind. We've already raised an entire generation of lazy sh*theads who think "Internet Celebrity" is a f*cking job. NOW the government is gonna pay millions of people to sit at home and do arts and crafts? In addition to all the other impossible sh*t they're supposedly gonna pay for?

The term "dangerously stupid" was invented specifically for people like her.

[Sumac]

Welcome to the generation "special snowflakes".

Your primary goal in life is to sit on your ass and let others make decision for you.

If you need something just whine loud enough and it will be given to you, because, you are so special and precious, that OF COURSE you should be handled everything without lifting a finger.