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View Poll Results: Turtles Forever OR Trans-Dimensional Turtles? | |||
Turtles Forever | 63 | 60.00% | |
Trans-Dimensional Turtles | 42 | 40.00% | |
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03-31-2016, 06:56 AM | #21 | |
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I can deal with the weapon comment, because lets be real, the rules of the 1980's. Take He-man, he was allowed to show off his sword and look cool in victory poses, but god forbid he ever hit something with it. I thought the jab was pretty neat on how the old cartoons in general were held to a near impossible standard in regards to combat. After season 1, the Turtles hardly every relied on there weapons unless they were dealing with robots, or cutting ray blasters in 2. |
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03-31-2016, 06:58 AM | #22 |
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Actually, I'm fully aware of how 'bad' the FW series is. I have a hard time watching more than an episode or two at any given time. But come on... there's a difference between playful ribbing at genuine faults and straight up getting them wrong. T-DT was the former and TF was the latter.
T-DT was funny because we could laugh along with the Nick Turltes at how much has changed in thirty years, on multiple levels of quality and audience acceptablilty. It's entirely possible to laugh at something while still being fond of it. Turtles Forever didn't really do that, it just portrayed the FW TMNT as interchangable annoying goofballs that were pretty inept at everything. Here they were just as competant as the Nick TMNT, only they clearly operated by their own set of rules.
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03-31-2016, 07:39 AM | #23 |
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03-31-2016, 07:49 AM | #24 | |
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I'm not defending that scene -- it was a bit too mean-spirited. But the '87 Turtles were shown as capable in their own right in both crossovers. Their world has a different internal logic, and that contrast was played for laughs, but you can find plenty of respect for them in TF if you don't get too defensive and emotional at the jokes at their expense. (Which yes, again, the Nick show also did.) Keep in mind also -- the point of 2003 Raphael insulting the '87 Turtles was to lead up to it being turned around on him, when the Mirage Turtles mocked him and roughed him up in return. The mesaage being that it's all relative.
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03-31-2016, 08:00 AM | #25 |
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More like the toyline had influence. If you remove the stuff that was just there because Playmates demanded it, most of what would be left are forgotten or unpopular characters like Pinky McFingers and Vernon Fenwick.
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03-31-2016, 08:10 AM | #26 |
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The OT toyline hadn't be on for a very long time, yet OT still thrives and kicking even moreso now. That's the lasting power of OT and worthy of recognition and respect.
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03-31-2016, 08:36 AM | #27 | |
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As for "worthy of respect", as a success in marketing maybe but the actual content and quality of the show is laughably bad. It has writing problems, animation errors and a distinct lack of proper editing, respecting it is like respecting Michael Bay movies. It might have made a lot of money but that doesn't mean it's not crap. And if recognition is worthy of respect, well, based on real life conversations I have with people that should probably mean I should respect the 90's movie trilogy far more. Because guess what, it may not look like it based on merchandising but the Fred Wolf cartoon is overshadowed by those movies, anyone below the age of 30 is more likely to recognise them than the Fred Wolf cartoon. |
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03-31-2016, 09:24 AM | #28 |
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Well the toys(?) compliment the cartoon and vice versa then. I see no problem with that.
The other series and movies have toys too but OT still reign supreme. Most things TMNT still borrow heavily from OT universe. |
03-31-2016, 09:58 AM | #29 | |
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And the Mirage comics and the 4Kids show are also inspiring new material a lot, so it's not a very strong defense to say things are pulling from it, of course they are going to draw from older material, I've seen people like Dan Slott pull from runs of Spider-Man nobody liked. The Fred Wolf cartoon does not "reign supreme" like you say, it was cancelled 20 years ago and there are probably more people who have seen the movies from the 90's than there are who watched the Fred Wolf cartoon.
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03-31-2016, 11:42 AM | #30 |
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Poking fun at the OT Turtles was the best part of both specials. The way they fought, Leo's battle cries, the incompetence of 80's Shredder and Krang, the nonsensical physics with Donatello making portal guns and pulling things out of nowhere, etc.
And this is coming from a huge fan of the original cartoon who marathons it every 2-3 years or so. They nailed them perfectly. |
03-31-2016, 12:35 PM | #31 | |
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And this sums up my problems with the OT perfectly. To answer the question, I still do like Turtles Forever more but its very close on Trans-Dimensional Turtles both have their problems however...
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03-31-2016, 01:46 PM | #32 |
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I chose Transdimensional Turtles because it felt a lot more real with the original voice actors.
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03-31-2016, 01:46 PM | #33 |
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Turtles Forever
Although i didn't like the way TF treated the OT, i'm still able to enjoy the film.
Could barely sit throught TDT. Had to keep telling myself "you can get through this" while watching. How 2k12 can even take jabs at OT is beyond me. Being how mindnumbingly stupid and low brow it is. The 2D animation sucked, Krang looked like Honey boo boo's mother. And whats with his belt being so damn big? It was/is pretty bad |
03-31-2016, 02:00 PM | #34 |
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Oh my god, he really does! That's hilarious! |
03-31-2016, 02:16 PM | #35 |
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That was precisely the point, guys, it was a nod to that meme where her head's on Krang's body.
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03-31-2016, 02:35 PM | #37 | |
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The original cartoon was always a slapstick parody with crazy physics and stuff that didn't make sense. That's why a lot of us liked it, but when you compare it to more serious cartoons obviously that stuff is going to stand out. |
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03-31-2016, 02:50 PM | #38 |
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If only Trans-Dimensional Turtles had the animation of Turtles Forever.
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03-31-2016, 02:51 PM | #39 |
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03-31-2016, 04:47 PM | #40 |
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I'm probably one of the few people who actually liked the flash animation style 2D depiction of the Fred Wolf universe. I feel like they were actually given an 80s feel, whereas in Turtles Forever they looked more 90s style. I will admit, I wish they had waited until after the events of the space travel storyarc to have this happen. I get that they were looking for an excuse to take the Nick Turtles back home to see Splinter again for a little bit, but it just convolutes everything what with the time travel thing going on.
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