Wonder Woman (2017)

[TheSkeletonMan939]

And here I thought Marvel had a problem with quips!

[drgon78]

Awesome new trailer, I can't wait to see this movie.

[Sage Ninja]

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

Nah, the weird political "in your face" will come after the movie...should it flop.
Because then it'll be blamed on the fact that it's a Lady movie, and how Lady movies don't make money, because dudes won't watch Lady movies.

This. I can't go into a youtube comments section where WW is the topic were some one does not cause a **** storm bitching about this issue. What's funny is they are often the louder more obnoxious complainers about this than the so called PC Nazis people ruining media entertainment. No thanks. I watch the trailer and move along, anytime I've been tempted to scroll down to the comments I see this. Sometimes it's the top comment.

Oh and people need to stop comparing this to Marvel.

Any way I really like the that this is actually taking place in the World War I now. It sort of makes sense. The scene where the Trevor's solders are on the island and they own the Amazons because of their advanced technological weapons seems like a good angle and a legit reason for Diana to leave her island and see whats up with the changes of the world.

Dr. Poison, huh...never actually heard of him. Paula Von Gunther seems like she would be a more worthy adversary for WW. Hope if there is a sequal taking place in World War II that she is a major villain for WW to come up against.

[CyberCubed]

Not sure why plastron is pulling the woman card, most people like Gal Gadot and Wonder Woman is the most popular and well known female superhero in the world.

People are looking forward to this and from what I see everyone is hoping its better than Batman/Superman, not hoping it fails.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

People are looking forward to this and from what I see everyone is hoping its better than Batman/Superman, not hoping it fails.

I agree. People wanted WB to break all their toys during BvS and see the film fail, and the company did so so thoroughly that now I think people just pity them. I want to think that it's not too late for WB to course-correct. This is the make-or-break for me.

[Andrew NDB]

Finally watched the trailer last night. Looks great. Joke at the end of it was a "miss."

[Powder]

Looks wack to me.

[CyberCubed]

I think the only problem with this movie is they'll have to balance screentime with Wonder Woman on the island than the World War 1 scenario.

Plus everything inbetween like Diana getting used to life outside and meeting Steve Trevor and all that. Seems like a lot.

[Andrew NDB]

I still think the World War I setting is detrimental to what they're trying to accomplish here. But it'll be OK.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

I still think the World War I setting is detrimental to what they're trying to accomplish here. But it'll be OK.

They can't do WWII because Marvel already did. Pretty sure that's the thinking.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

They can't do WWII because Marvel already did. Pretty sure that's the thinking.

They shouldn't set it in the past at all.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

They shouldn't set it in the past at all.

Well... I'd agree on that except for one point: why not show what Ares is capable of by showing him instigating the first global conflict?
I wouldn't mind if it was more in the vein of Batman Begins (back and forth chronologically) but I can see this making sense.

Still, though; it seems pretty stupid to waste supporting characters like Steve Trevor in WWI when there's no way he'll survive. Also, way too Captain America.

So... yeah. I'm with you on that.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

Well... I'd agree on that except for one point: why not show what Ares is capable of by showing him instigating the first global conflict?

I'd be OK with flashbacks to that end, but grounding the movie in the (now) distant, kind of alien past with a non-human leading lady is as bad of an idea as it is unnecessary. Every reboot of the Wonder Woman comics have had Zero to do with WWI or WWII (I think at one point, John Byrne sort of retconned the Golden Age WW's WWII adventures to be those of Diana's mom, not Diana, but that's it).

It's just a mix of trying to -- very strangely, and needlessly -- appease on some level the fans of the 70s TV show and yeah, follow the Captain American model.

Still, though; it seems pretty stupid to waste supporting characters like Steve Trevor in WWI when there's no way he'll survive. Also, way too Captain America.

Maybe he gets whisked away to an alternate dimension/Olympus Land or something, then plucked out of it later in the present at the end, or at a critical moment in the Justice League movie or something (the idea being, maybe, they can be fish out of water together? would sort of make sense). It is weird that he would sign on for something that appears to be so tiny. I wonder if the reports from way back about him having his pick of either Green Lantern and Steve Trevor were true.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

I'd be OK with flashbacks to that end, but grounding the movie in the (now) distant, kind of alien past with a non-human leading lady is as bad of an idea as it is unnecessary. Every reboot of the Wonder Woman comics have had Zero to do with WWI or WWII (I think at one point, John Byrne sort of retconned the Golden Age WW's WWII adventures to be those of Diana's mom, not Diana, but that's it).

It's just a mix of trying to -- very strangely, and needlessly -- appease on some level the fans of the 70s TV show and yeah, follow the Captain American model.

Maybe he gets whisked away to an alternate dimension/Olympus Land or something, then plucked out of it later in the present at the end, or at a critical moment in the Justice League movie or something (the idea being, maybe, they can be fish out of water together? would sort of make sense). It is weird that he would sign on for something that appears to be so tiny. I wonder if the reports from way back about him having his pick of either Green Lantern and Steve Trevor were true.

I think I'd have gone with Green Lantern instead. ESPECIALLY considering that Steve Trevor would be nothing more than the boy toy... and now the long-dead boy toy.

Ah well.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

I think I'd have gone with Green Lantern instead. ESPECIALLY considering that Steve Trevor would be nothing more than the boy toy... and now the long-dead boy toy.

Ah well.

My point is, if that was true, then Pine knows something we don't about Trevor (i.e., somehow comes to the present day). No reason he would turn down GL if it was just some one off thing.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

My point is, if that was true, then Pine knows something we don't about Trevor (i.e., somehow comes to the present day). No reason he would turn down GL if it was just some one off thing.

I think he'd turn down Green Lantern just because the previous GL is so hated. A new property being less of a risk than a previous, failed property.

So, no, I don't think Trevor will be brought to the present day somehow.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

So, no, I don't think Trevor will be brought to the present day somehow.

I dunno. The way the comics guys seem to have setup stuff in the New52 seems awful suspiciously in line with what the DC Cinematic Universe is turning out to be, particularly with Geoff Johns at the relative forefront of both things.

And in the New52 Steve Trevor is a big part of it. He's like a military counterpart to Amanda Waller. I think Dick Grayson was reporting to him during the whole "Grayson" thing with him as a secret agent.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

I dunno. The way the comics guys seem to have setup stuff in the New52 seems awful suspiciously in line with what the DC Cinematic Universe is turning out to be, particularly with Geoff Johns at the relative forefront of both things.

And in the New52 Steve Trevor is a big part of it. He's like a military counterpart to Amanda Waller. I think Dick Grayson was reporting to him during the whole "Grayson" thing with him as a secret agent.

Dead granddad Steve Trevor does seem like a pretty poor creative decision.

BUT.

Exhibit A: The DCEU has already killed off prominent Superman supporting characters Jimmy Olsen and Mercy Graves.

Exhibit B: The DCEU seems to be showing that all of the JL members are withdrawn, isolated, and alone. Superman has Lois and Martha, and he's got the most. Bruce has Alfred. Barry Allen says that he needs "friends." Diana appears to be alone in the world, ESPECIALLY if Steve is indeed dead. And Aquaman only has Mera... It seems that thematically, Wonder Woman not having anybody might fit in better with their narrative than if she has her former lover somehow having followed her through time somehow.

[myconius]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

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And in the New52 Steve Trevor is a big part of it. He's like a military counterpart to Amanda Waller. I think Dick Grayson was reporting to him during the whole "Grayson" thing with him as a secret agent.

actually in the Grayson series, Dick was reporting to a retconned Helena Bertinelli.
she was turned from Vigilante into one of the high ranking agents of Spyral.
that series was interesting in the beginning but ended with a thud.

it'll be interesting to see if they can somehow bring Pine's Trevor into the present.
guess time will tell?
i still would have liked to have seen what he could have done as Hal Jordan.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by myconius

actually in the Grayson series, Dick was reporting to a retconned Helena Bertinelli.
she was turned from Vigilante into one of the high ranking agents of Spyral.
that series was interesting in the beginning but ended with a thud.

it'll be interesting to see if they can somehow bring Pine's Trevor into the present.
guess time will tell?
i still would have liked to have seen what he could have done as Hal Jordan.

You mean Huntress. And she's back to Huntress again, apparently. I miss the pre-New52 Huntress, though.

And maybe Pine turned down Green Lantern because it was too similar to Captain Kirk and he wanted a different type of role? Kirk and Jordan are both pretty similar; cocky overconfident ladies men who reached impressive rank at a young age.