Anyone Bought Tomb Raider (2013) Yet?

[STORMSHADOW__210]

Im about 4 hrs in,I got to say this game has some of the best thunderstorm weather effects I have ever seen.Really enjoying it!

[ObiWanFan4life]

I LOVE it. One of the most beautiful and polished looking games i've ever played.

[Chris]

Really enjoying it so far.

And I have to say, this

Originally Posted by STORMSHADOW__210

For adults who watch cartoons and collect toys yall can come across a little uptight.

Just gave me a great laugh

[animal]

Yeah I beat it for my ps3 it was a awesome game I gladly played it I had a super fun time now to wait for me to get riptide

[STORMSHADOW__210]

Just beat it....I dont know if it will goty,..but it is worhty...AMAZING GAME!!! LOVED IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! masterpiece!!! thank u MRS CROFT!

[Andrew NDB]

Just started playing this a bit. Not bad. The hunting/survival stuff, of course, seems tamed compared to other games that are out there, but I like the atmosphere. Was going to play through this, then Rise, then Shadow, then... I don't know? I know this second reboot of the Tomb Raider games isn't compatible with the original games, but is it compatible with the first reboot?

i.e., could you go Tomb Raider (2013) => Rise of the Tomb Raider (2015) => Shadow of the Tomb Raider (2018 ) and then => Tomb Raider: Legend (2006) => Tomb Raider: Anniversary (2007) => Tomb Raider: Underworld (2008 )? Would that basically work, story and character-wise?

[The Deadman]

There's a few of these on Game Pass which im gonna give a shot to.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by sdp

No, there's too many contradictions.

I'm just curious, but what? I'm aware there's some weirdness with her dad (he's one guy in one continuity, another guy in another) but what else?

What they've realized is that the Survivor Lara was a financial mistake

I doubt it was much of one if they made two direct sequels to it. Though TR 2013 sold 14.5 units, Rise sold 11.8 units, and Shadow sold 8.9 units... so definitely some slippage there. But it looks like Tomb Raider 1-3 only sold 7-8 million copies originally. The first reboot trilogy (Legend, Anniversary, Underworld) sold way less... like 3 million each.

The more she resembles classic Lara the best, she isn't vulnerable, just badass.

Well, with 2013 and so on, it seems the idea is to break Lara down and rebuild her to be that badass, carefree Tomb Raider she was originally.

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

But it looks like Tomb Raider 1-3 only sold 7-8 million copies originally.

Different times - different demands.

[sdp]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

I'm just curious, but what? I'm aware there's some weirdness with her dad (he's one guy in one continuity, another guy in another) but what else?

Well the background of her family is very different and her father has a different name in both timelines, the role of her mother is also different. You can't have an easy retcon, you would need some serious "the magic changed it" levels of retcons to make it work.
I'm sure there's other contradictions that might be bigger but didn't play enough of survivor but in general the legends trilogy had a lot of wacky ideas that made it difficult to integrate even to the original timeline which was far more fantastical because I remember trying to do that in the late 2000s and decided just to keep them different.

I doubt it was much of one if they made two direct sequels to it. Though TR 2013 sold 14.5 units, Rise sold 11.8 units, and Shadow sold 8.9 units... so definitely some slippage there. But it looks like Tomb Raider 1-3 only sold 7-8 million copies originally. The first reboot trilogy (Legend, Anniversary, Underworld) sold way less... like 3 million each.

Don't confuse sales numbers with the size of the market, what percentage was that is a more accurate way to see the success of something. Also sales numbers were not too accurate during the 90s, it could've sold more. Sales numbers are also mostly kept hidden thanks to digital downloads so we dont really know the real sales of modern games either.

With that said yeah the Legends trilogy wasn't hugely successful but it did decent enough counting the competition it faced during the PS2 era. But yeah there's a reason we got a reboot and not a fourth Legends game. The original reboot sold a lot eventually but how much did it cost to make? I think after the reboot shock of the first game with interesting game play, more mature style etc wore off the TR brand just didn't have the staying power it did and each sequel seemed to interest players less, the cost of another game would be too much, there's a reason we didn't get Survivor game #4 and that Square Enix sold the IP to Amazon.

It's not just about making a profit, it's the ROI that matters, if the ROI is low compared to the risk and work put in, it is not a worthwhile investment even if it still made "millions" it was a bad use of a companies money. That's what chairman analysts on the internet who have never had a real business job will understand. I mean I don't know the numbers but companies do and they make those decisions based on those, can companies make mistakes? Sure but it's rarer than you might think.

Well, with 2013 and so on, it seems the idea is to break Lara down and rebuild her to be that badass, carefree Tomb Raider she was originally.

3 games in and they never got to that and it didn't really seem like she could become classic Lara or even Legends Lara, and fans of the survivor lara do not like classic lara. It was never going to happen. You might defer but I think the general consesus and I agree is that she would never become classic Lara, because she just never felt like her.

Doesn't matter now really, we're getting another reboot. I'm hoping for the best but I'm sure I'll be disappointed as I'd only like Classic Lara back and any survivor elements will not do that. I haven't been a huge fan of the pseudo-classic Lara they've been playing with for the last few years, yeah she's better than survivor Lara but like Legends Lara she still doesn't seem like the badass that I remember. But that's just me. I'm sure giving her the classic outfit and the bow from survivor will get the internet to get excited as hell. At least they don't seem to be afraid to give her big boobs again.

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

i.e., could you go Tomb Raider (2013) => Rise of the Tomb Raider (2015) => Shadow of the Tomb Raider (2018 ) and then => Tomb Raider: Legend (2006) => Tomb Raider: Anniversary (2007) => Tomb Raider: Underworld (2008 )? Would that basically work, story and character-wise?

No, there's too many contradictions. Now that Amazon owns tomb raider they're going to apparently "unify" the timelines, but they all contradict I think people are just misreading the quote, the most likely scenario is that the new reboot is going to incorporate stuff from "all timelines".

What they've realized is that the Survivor Lara was a financial mistake, and they're going back to the original Lara Croft which is the best decision they could've made. We're getting some remasters of the original games in like a month. I think the new reboot will be mostly like old lara but it'll have some elements found in the ugh horrible survival timeline like having a crossbow . The Legend timeline is basically just original lara but less interesting so I think from that timeline they'll only get some characters and perhaps story ideas from there, but that lara was just an evolution of classic Lara.
The more she resembles classic Lara the best, she isn't vulnerable, just badass.

[Andrew NDB]

I do know that I read that nowhere in TR 2013, Rise, or Shadow does Lara ever get her dual pistols... so that's bullsh**. I get the not at first thing, or "she has to earn them"... but they're pretty iconic to her.

[XERO]

She technically uses dual pistols for like a few seconds in TR 2013, I believe.

[Andrew NDB]

If they don't like her with them, all they have to do is save them for midway into a game, then make the ammo not unlimited but rather scarce.

[Andrew NDB]

Threw a few more hours into this game. Gotta say. This game kicks ass! There's so many little elements cherry picked from stuff like Red Dead and Last of Us, while still affording tomb exploration and whatnot... this is super entertaining. I wish I'd have played this years ago.

[The Deadman]

This is on PSPlus. I recently beat the 2 that came after so Ill have to give this one a go too.

[Andrew NDB]

I beat this one. Fantastic! It's a bit disappointing the open world-ish feeling of the first parts of the game increasingly become narrower and narrower until it's all completely linear and Point A to B BUT it was a pretty thrilling ride regardless.

So I've started Rise of the Tomb Raider now. Holy hell, this is a beautiful game. Easily on par with, say, Red Dead 2. And they've added elements from both the Batman Arkham games (swooping down from trees to take out bad guys) and increased the stealth element making things feel closer to Last of Us now on a combat level. This is super fun to play and like a more polished Tomb Raider 2013. So far it seems a bit more linear than that, however.

Also a bit stupid that near the beginning of the game before Lara has a gun, you kill about 8 guys, all of which who have guns, but the game won't let you pick them up. Why? And the arrow retrieval, while great in Tomb Raider 2013, is bullsh** here. In the cases where the game won't let you retrieve them, you can physically SEE the arrows in the body and you can walk up to them but you can't just grab them.

[Andrew NDB]

Good grief, "Shadow of the Tomb Raider" was incredible! So huge in scope and damn, you can do everything in it! I didn't want it to end. There's even more creeping around/stealth kill stuff, and you can even "mud up" like in Predator: Hunting Grounds. It's got something from everything in this!

[CyberCubed]

So what do you think of the rebooted Lara after 3 games? I know many are still mixed on her and want the old 90's personality of her back. I'm mostly indifferent as I never played the original games when they came out so I don't have any real nostalgia for her. Outside the Angelina Jolie movies which barely count.

We haven't had a new Tomb Raider game since, but the next game is rumored to be another semi-reboot, whenever it happens.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

So what do you think of the rebooted Lara after 3 games? I know many are still mixed on her and want the old 90's personality of her back. I'm mostly indifferent as I never played the original games when they came out so I don't have any real nostalgia for her. Outside the Angelina Jolie movies which barely count.

Over the years I gave "Classic" Tomb Raider games a lot of chances but I HATE the controls. Also I found them somewhat boring. The boring coupled with the controls made them no bueno for me. These reboot games are WAY, WAY better than those. If I'd have known these reboot games were like this, I would have been playing them since 2013. A lot of these videos from guys that love the classic Tomb Raider games go on about how "Zen" they were, how you can just lose yourself for hours going down corridors and solving quiet puzzles and such -- yeah, that's not for me.

We haven't had a new Tomb Raider game since, but the next game is rumored to be another semi-reboot, whenever it happens.

From what I gather, what it will be is a direct sequel to "Shadow of the Tomb Raider," set a few years afterward, and the "Classic" Tomb Raider games' stories happened -- albeit, somewhat differently -- in the time between. If the latest rumors are to believed, the whole game is set in India, it's practically full-on open world, and you even can ride a motorcycle.

[CyberCubed]

Yeah the old games were a product of their time, they were very early 3D games on PS1 and aged worse than a lot of games from that era like the old Resident Evils or Metal Gear Solid.

Shadow of the Tomb Raider came out way back in 2018, so its been 6 years now since the last Tomb Raider game. All we've gotten since is mobile phone games and some small digital only top-down games. It seems the game is going to be vastly different than the recent trilogy because they wouldn't be going 6+ years without a new game otherwise.

I wouldn't expect a new Tomb Raider till 2026 at the earliest.