Final Fantasy XVI

[Andrew NDB]

Looks OK. More action stuff like the last game... this time going full medieval. I suspect "Game of Thrones" was the full-on inspiration for this.

[neatoman]

Wow, we really are up to 16 main titles... Unless you count the handful of direct sequels at which point there are... 19? 21? Or the spin-off games that aren't sequels, then it's... Does anyone actually know?

Seriously, does anyone know how many Final Fantasy games there are aside from the main 16? Even Wikipedia turns out unhelpful here.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by neatoman

Wow, we really are up to 16 main titles... Unless you count the handful of direct sequels at which point there are... 19? 21? Or the spin-off games that aren't sequels, then it's... Does anyone actually know?

Seriously, does anyone know how many Final Fantasy games there are aside from the main 16? Even Wikipedia turns out unhelpful here.

Let's see (I'll edit this list if I forget any)...

Final Fantasy Mystic Quest
Final Fantasy Tactics
Final Fantasy Tactics Advance
Final Fantasy Adventure (a FAKE Final Fantasy game, this is Seiken Densetsu 1 in Japan, the predecessor to Secret of Mana)
Final Fantasy IV: The After Years
Final Fantasy VII: Dirge of Cerberus
Final Fantasy VII: Crisis Core
Final Fantasy X-2
Final Fantasy XIII-2
Final Fantasy XIII: Lightning's Return
Final Fantasy: Dissidia (a little confused as to this)

Then there's the many versions of remakes of the first bunch of games. Also, I know there's a variety of cell phone spinoff stuff. I wouldn't look too far into that, though.

[neatoman]

If they released a direct sequel to the original game, would that be Final Fantasy I-2 or just Final Fantasy 2?

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by neatoman

If they released a direct sequel to the original game, would that be Final Fantasy I-2 or just Final Fantasy 2?

It might be Final Fantasy IX. There were interesting ties between it and 1.

[CyberCubed]

Square should have dropped the numbering after the PS1 era, or PS2 era at the latest. There's a reason Nintendo doesn't call it, "Legend of Zelda 18: Breath of the Wild," or "Super Mario 27"

After a while you just drop the numbering. Most third party franchises do the same. Resident Evil is probably one of the few that still keeps the numbering in the mainline series.

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Square should have dropped the numbering after the PS1 era, or PS2 era at the latest. There's a reason Nintendo doesn't call it, "Legend of Zelda 18: Breath of the Wild," or "Super Mario 27"

After a while you just drop the numbering. Most third party franchises do the same. Resident Evil is probably one of the few that still keeps the numbering in the mainline series.

Dropping numbering is usually done to disguise how many entries there actually are in the series. It's basically a meaningless gesture taken to prevent consumers from feeling overwhelmed.

When it comes to Zelda, numbering could be confusing because while the games do connect, the stories are told out of order and it's hard to pinpoint the exact relation between the entries. Nobody really cares when it comes to Final Fantasy because everyone knows the games don't connect.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Square should have dropped the numbering after the PS1 era, or PS2 era at the latest. There's a reason Nintendo doesn't call it, "Legend of Zelda 18: Breath of the Wild," or "Super Mario 27"

I kind of wish they kept numbering in place. In all series. Spinoff stuff is fine, but it should be crystal clear what the "core" games are.

i.e., Mario.

Mario Bros. (1)
Super Mario 1 (2)
Super Mario 2 (3)
Super Mario 3 (4)
Super Mario World (5)
Super Mario World 2 (6)
Super Mario 64 (7)
Super Mario Sunshine (Eight)
Super Mario Galaxy (9)
Super Mario Galaxy 2 (10)
Super Mario Odyssey (11)

With the spinoffs beginning with Super Mario Land and so on. No, Super Mario RPG wouldn't be a numbered one.

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

I kind of wish they kept numbering in place. In all series. Spinoff stuff is fine, but it should be crystal clear what the "core" games are.

i.e., Mario.

Mario Bros. (1)
Super Mario 1 (2)
Super Mario 2 (3)
Super Mario 3 (4)
Super Mario World (5)
Super Mario World 2 (6)
Super Mario 64 (7)
Super Mario Sunshine (Eight)
Super Mario Galaxy (9)
Super Mario Galaxy 2 (10)
Super Mario Odyssey (11)

With the spinoffs beginning with Super Mario Land and so on. No, Super Mario RPG wouldn't be a numbered one.

What about Donkey Kong, Land 1/2, 3D Land/World and NSMB?

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by neatoman

What about Donkey Kong, Land 1/2, 3D Land/World and NSMB?

Spinoffs/side things/guest spots.

[sdp]

How is Donkey Kong a spin-off? Mario Bros is a spin-off of Donkey Kong and Super Mario Bros is a spin-off of Mario Bros. Nintendo counts the Super Mario Bros mainline games starting obviously with SMB1 and the anniversaries from that date as well.

In Japan Super Mario World does have the subtitle Super Mario Bros 4. But Yoshi's Island is no longer considered a sequel to Super Mario World but a spin-off, in Japan it never had the subtitle SMW2.

Also Nintendo considers Super Mario 3D World Mainline but they don't stop there, the New Super Mario Bros games are all mainline games, as well as the 3DS Super Mario 3D Land. The two Super Mario Land Game Boy titles were considered mainine at one point but for the past two anniversaries they haven't acknowledged them.

[Leo656]

Thus, why it's best not to over-think these things in the first place.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by sdp

How is Donkey Kong a spin-off?

It isn't. It's Donkey Kong 1, guest-starring Mario. Just like there's a Donkey Kong 2 and 3 and so on. I guess Donkey Kong Country would be Donkey Kong 4?

"Super Mario Land," "Paper Mario," "Luigi's Mansion" and such, those are the spinoffs.