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Old 04-23-2017, 08:54 AM   #1
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Marvel's "Rebirth": Marvel Legacy

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http://www.cbr.com/marvel-legacy-new...nal-numbering/
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Old 04-23-2017, 10:11 AM   #2
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I'm glad we're finally getting rid of the SJW-bait characters.

Spidey is still gonna be f*cked. Slott's not going anywhere. Bendis is thankfully off GOTG tho.
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Old 04-28-2017, 12:07 AM   #3
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I'm glad we're finally getting rid of the SJW-bait characters.
That's not happening nor should it.

The "SJW" characters are among Marvel's best sellers right now. It always strikes me as completely ridiculous that people who see a problem with how Marvel is doing commercially think the way to fix this is to cancel books that are selling.

I don't know how many times I've seen people who are angry that Fantastic Four (a book which hadn't sold well in decades) doesn't have a book but Moon Girl (which sells well in trade) is on the shelves. Hey I'd love the FF to return and haven't even tried Moon Girl myself but it's such a stupid argument.

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Spidey is still gonna be f*cked. Slott's not going anywhere.
Amazing Spider-Man sells. Until that changes Marvel is going to want him to stick around regardless of the crazy free mason attitude fans have about the guy.
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Old 04-28-2017, 01:44 AM   #4
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Amazing Spider-Man sells. Until that changes Marvel is going to want him to stick around regardless of the crazy free mason attitude fans have about the guy.
Just as well I happen to be the son of a Freemason eh?

Also, you might want to read this


http://www.comicsbeat.com/titling-at...comics-anyway/

Do yourself a favor and read the web essay "Shut The F*ck Up Marvel" also

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1362725

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"Shut The **** Up, Marvel" is a nearly 30k long essay, a spiritual sequel to The Problems With Comics, a deep dive into the true issues with Marvel's economics and business - and how an obsession with short term profit, the constant renumbering and relaunches and events, all compounded by a complete inability to understand basic marketing techniques or outside audiences, has absolutely destroyed the sales stability of many of their former best selling books, all as they condescend to those who criticize them on their stories, or on how they try to sell comics

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Old 05-10-2017, 01:25 PM   #5
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Apparently most of the established writers are staying on their respective books during Legacy, so this isn't going to be that big a shake-up
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Old 05-24-2017, 11:57 AM   #6
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Interesting article here

https://www.theatlantic.com/entertai...s-woes/527127/
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Old 06-16-2017, 02:41 PM   #7
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https://www.newsarama.com/34964-marv...-avengers.html

1,000,000 BC Avengers?

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Old 06-16-2017, 02:45 PM   #8
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"Rather, itís the starting gun to a bevy of mysteries and secrets and revelations that will reverberate across the Marvel Universe in the weeks and months to come! No character, no franchise will be untouched by the game-changing events that play out across its pages."
They say this like it's supposed to be a selling point, when it just sounds like more retcons and needless story revamps.
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you might want to read this


http://www.comicsbeat.com/titling-at...comics-anyway/

Do yourself a favor and read the web essay "Shut The F*ck Up Marvel" also

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1362725
You could make a case that both those essays sum up peoples frustrations with the current comic book business in general but none really offer any convincing solutions.

Sure, the All-New, All-Different era wasn't exactly a huge blockbuster success and sales where down compared to what they were three years ago and yet for most of that era no one seemed to care or make a big deal about it seemingly brushing it off as the normal ebbs and flows of comic book publishing until Rebirth happened and like every time DC overtakes Marvel in sales people run around claiming the sky is falling and that Marvel is done but this time it also had a nasty undercurrent of disgruntled fans salivating over the prospect of getting rid of the "diversity" characters in order to compete with DC.

Of course DC was only #1 publisher for a handful of months before Marvel regained the top spot. If people think Marvel is flopping and their sales are plummeting that's fair enough (I'd disagree) but the idea that a long term fix is to emulate a company which is currently selling less than them seems foolish.

Obviously Marvel is going to try their own version of Rebirth because enhanced sales for a few months is still appealing but frankly Marvel already had tried their own Rebirth years ago with the Heroic Age which tried to do a lot of what DC is currently trying to do and the results were largely underwhelming as was laying off big events during that period.

As much as they've become a bane of comic book fans (at least if the internet is to be believed) events sell and have been doing for the past few decades, even Civil War II which was decidedly meh sold well for Marvel. I can't really fault Marvel for doing what sells.

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They say this like it's supposed to be a selling point, when it just sounds like more retcons and needless story revamps.
You'd think so but from what I've been seeing the reaction to the latest Legacy announcements including the variant covers is anger that they don't seem to indicate any big mind blowing status quo shift.

I have little doubt there will be one but I doubt Marvel is going to give it away. As you might guess I'm rather unipressed with Rebirth but the least compelling aspect is the whole Watchmen connection. If Legacy doesn't have anything like that and it's simply bringing back a the likes of Steve Rogers and Odinson to their classic roles would it really be such a bad thing?

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