Super Shredder: What Is He?

[MikeandRaph87]

So Secret of The Ooze had The Shredder get knocked into a vial of mutagen. He turned into a hulking monster instead of an animal. Was it because we don't know the rules for that universe and if a human touches mutagen he/she does not mutate into a humanoid animal, but a steroid brute?

Also, the costume how did it change the way it did, was it the mutagenic properties?

The assuming steroid-like effect makes him a mindless brute and he sees this as his only chance to kill the TMNT by committing suicide dropping the pier on himself? Not even a fight, just picking up Leonardo and throwing him. That is it. The sequence never made much sense.

It was a cool visual and gave him a video game upgrade, but that was it.

[neatoman]

Alright, first off the Ooze as depicted by Mirage, 4Kids, Image, these early movies, the basic version of it in IDW and the version of it in the first PD movie turns animals more humanoid. There's no implication that human DNA is required for this effect, no matter what you splash it on it'll always take on a larger bipedal form with increased intelligence. As human beings already match the form, it makes sense you wouldn't change in that regard, thus leaving the intelligence and size. So the size part makes sense, what's kind of ambigious is the intelligence. While watching this scene, you might come to the conclusion that he has lost some of his intellect (which would be the opposite of what happened to everyone else) but he still depicted as being able to speak coherently, so that might not be the case.

Most of what's going on here does makes make sense with the established rules so I don't really have a problem with it. Not sure about the clothes though...

[Andrew NDB]

Would've worked out far better if there was a bit of a time lapse after Shredder got hit with the BOOM and got exposed to the ooze. Like, they thought he was dead right there and/or couldn't find a body. Then they're celebrating later on and there comes SuperShredder, presumably with armor he's had time to make for his new hulking body.

As is, dumb. There is no explaining it.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

From what we got in the 2nd film, I got the impression that Super Shredder was even more fragile than his normal form, since all it took to kill him was a pile of falling wood.

So if he had actually fought the turtles, perhaps we would've seen that despite giving him increased physical strength, the mutagen actually made him more vulnerable.

[CyberCubed]

Shredder was clearly knocked over by a pillar as seen in the movie and then "all that stuff on top" as Raph put it. It's not that hard to see why he died.

[sdp]

They just didn't want to have him die in a way they couldn't bring him back. His death was ambiguous enough that they could've said he survived and been in TMNT III. I'm surprised they didn't do that. Hell I'm surprised they didn't have an "ancient" shredder in TMNT III.

[pferreira]

Originally Posted by MikeandRaph87

So Secret of The Ooze had The Shredder get knocked into a vial of mutagen. He turned into a hulking monster instead of an animal. Was it because we don't know the rules for that universe and if a human touches mutagen he/she does not mutate into a humanoid animal, but a steroid brute?

As stated here already I think this follows the idea that if affected by mutagen you develop into a hulking beast. It's like the Red Sky mutations without the Turtles needing to drink mutagen. But interestingly Shredder drank the vial of mutagen (if Leo is correct), or accidently injected himself with it when he got blown sky high. If it was his choice to take the mutagen it's interesting that Shredder was so annoyed with the TMNT he was willing to allow himself to be mutated as though that would help.

Originally Posted by sdp

They just didn't want to have him die in a way they couldn't bring him back. His death was ambiguous enough that they could've said he survived and been in TMNT III.

Shredder's hand came up afterwards and then fell meaning he looked pretty dead. Would have been interesting to see how they'd bring him back from that one.

Originally Posted by MikeandRaph87

It looked like he turned into Bane from Batman & Robin(1997) in size and lower intelligence.

I can buy that the metal and costume material altered when exposed to it. Smarter or maintaining intellect? Dropping a pier on yourself is not the smartest way to ride yourself of your enemies. I feel cheated out of a cool fight sequence.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

How about the original video games? As Super Shredder he would jump around, creating shockwaves with fire and ice.

[Shred87]

What is he? a missed opportunity....

[newhire13]

I remember reading a TMNT 2 script where his clothes are ripped apart because he’s become so massive and where the turtles actually fight him. Definitely would have been nice to have both of those aspects.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Originally Posted by newhire13

I remember reading a TMNT 2 script where his clothes are ripped apart because he’s become so massive and where the turtles actually fight him. Definitely would have been nice to have both of those aspects.

Are even his helmet and the rest of his metal armour ripped apart?

[***First of Two Latin Kings***]

The Dandelions didn't become humanoid. In the Fred Wolf or Nick 2012 universes, he would have taken on characteristics of the girl he was holding hostage, and Keno who kicked him

[MikeandRaph87]

Originally Posted by ***First of Two Latin Kings***

The Dandelions didn't become humanoid.

Good point. Its like a mutagenic steroid.

[PizzaPower1985]

Originally Posted by Shred87

What is he? a missed opportunity....

Amen! Amen! I mean it's so obvious that the writer(s) fell into a situation where it's like "OMG! We need an ending. But we already have that lame white rapper in the dance club. *LIGHTBULB* The film is called Secret of the Ooze. Why not use the ooze to make Shredder a giant monster. It'll be just like a boss battle in an arcade game. Kids will LOVE it!"

And it sucked!

It would have honestly been fine IF there was some way to explain how Shredder's costume also mutated with him.

But, the idea that a costume... clothing... an outfit can morph when you hulk out? Somewhere Bruce Banner is in a corner crying and wondering why his pants always get torn and turn purple when they could just Hulk Out with him. Maybe Banner should just drink the ooze then, eh?

[Leo656]

Yeah. I'm not entirely against the idea of a "Super-Shredder" but the logistics and execution were clearly not thought out at all.

It's kinda why I hate the second movie. I don't HATE it, but I kinda do, and definitely compared to the first movie. The first movie, everything was "tight", there weren't really any holes or inconsistencies or "WTF-ery". Like, they treated it like a "real" movie.

Second movie: "Eh, it's for kids, kids are stupid, lets just Go Nuts." Which has sadly become the predominant way the pen-holders have treated the brand to this very day.

First movie, you have a movie where they knew mostly kids would be interested but were like, "If we can give their parents a Real Movie, too, that's awesome," and they did that. But the sequel ONLY holds appeal for young children, OR people who were young children when they first saw it, but to absolutely anyone else it's a disaster.

It sounds "mean" to say and the movie itself is a fun romp - and light years ahead of the two PD failures, gigantic flaws and all - but it's kind of a perfect little capsule of Every Single Goddamn Thing Wrong With The TMNT Franchise In 88 Minutes. Super-Shredder and his armor being a prominent example but not even the most egregious.

[PizzaPower1985]

Originally Posted by Leo656

Yeah. I'm not entirely against the idea of a "Super-Shredder" but the logistics and execution were clearly not thought out at all.

It's kinda why I hate the second movie. I don't HATE it, but I kinda do, and definitely compared to the first movie. The first movie, everything was "tight", there weren't really any holes or inconsistencies or "WTF-ery". Like, they treated it like a "real" movie.

Second movie: "Eh, it's for kids, kids are stupid, lets just Go Nuts." Which has sadly become the predominant way the pen-holders have treated the brand to this very day.

First movie, you have a movie where they knew mostly kids would be interested but were like, "If we can give their parents a Real Movie, too, that's awesome," and they did that. But the sequel ONLY holds appeal for young children, OR people who were young children when they first saw it, but to absolutely anyone else it's a disaster.

It sounds "mean" to say and the movie itself is a fun romp - and light years ahead of the two PD failures, gigantic flaws and all - but it's kind of a perfect little capsule of Every Single Goddamn Thing Wrong With The TMNT Franchise In 88 Minutes. Super-Shredder and his armor being a prominent example but not even the most egregious.

Eloquently stated as usual, bro! TMNT II watches like a direct sequel (clearly lighter in tone but still like the first in many ways) until about the time Tokka and Rahzar are even a twinkle in the film's eye. By the time we get the latex snapping turtle and wolf-man the film is like the guy in the crowded elevator who farted... "admit it dude... YOU DID IT! You made it for kids."

I still regret the "combat cold cuts" thing and the yo-yo. It's so blatantly walking on eggshells around the parents... no weapons!

[Coola Yagami]

IDK, as a kid I liked the sequel more cause it felt quicker, funnier and I guess had more stuff going on.

Like as an adult I appreciate the serious tone of the first movie more and how the turtles needed time to heal, regroup and whatnot after they exiled themselves from New York. Like even as a kid I knew Raph wasn't gonna die so I was wondering why they didn't cut to the part where he recovers already and they just go back. As an adult I get the themes where the Turtles feel defeated, and with Raph on the verge of dying and them all thinking Splinter is dead anyway, they had no real reason to ever return to New York.

But oh man, as a kid though, I felt the movie came to a screeching halt when they escaped New York and was bored except for when Raph finally wakes up, the Splinter meditation scene and them finally saying 'it's time to go back'.

I guess as a kid I didn't notice how it woudn't make sense for Shredder's outfit to mutate with him, I just kinda figured the movie went on long enough and they needed a quick battle scene to properly end it. Like, Super Shredder seemed more like an idea rather than something that needed a drawn-out fight scene. Ironically the games went wild with the Super Shredder idea and it was pretty awesome.

IMO TMNT 2012 went too overboard with the design and ****ed it up.