Is the show worth watching

hankthetank · 11-25-2018, 11:34 AM

I believe i saw the first 2 or 3 episodes and wasn't impressed I loved the vast majority of the other 3 main series and the first 2 Live Action movies. My question is has the show gotten better since the first few episodes or is it pretty much the same?

*Xav* · 11-25-2018, 11:58 AM

It's pretty much the same.

*IndigoErth* · 11-25-2018, 12:07 PM

Yeah, with the exception of last weekend's arc-related "Bug Busters" (that comparably is one of the rare gems within this series so far), the majority of the episodes are about the same as those you've seen.

~~Kenwatanabesclone~~ · 11-25-2018, 12:18 PM

Yes! Very worth it!

80gmrp · 11-25-2018, 12:57 PM

Personally, I watched the entirety of three epsiodes: "Mystic Mayhem", "Down With The Sickness", and "Repo Mantis". Having seen all of them, while I can tolerate Repo in moderation, overall, I'd have to agree with the majority here that it's just more of the same. The only possible exception springing to mind being the Bug Busters episode (which I haven't bothered watching all of) for its cameos of older characters, implying they will appear later, though even then, I'm not holding my breath that it will be good.

*TigerClaw* · 11-25-2018, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by 80gmrp

Personally, I watched the entirety of three epsiodes: "Mystic Mayhem", "Down With The Sickness", and "Repo Mantis". Having seen all of them, while I can tolerate Repo in moderation, overall, I'd have to agree with the majority here that it's just more of the same. The only possible exception springing to mind being the Bug Busters episode (which I haven't bothered watching all of) for its cameos of older characters, implying they will appear later, though even then, I'm not holding my breath that it will be good.

What older characters made cameos?

~~Kenwatanabesclone~~ · 11-25-2018, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by TigerClaw

What older characters made cameos?

Bebop, Rocksteady, Halfcourt, Leatherhead.

*Autbot_Benz* · 11-25-2018, 04:00 PM

If you ever wanted to see Next Mutation as an animated series this is the show for you 🤮

80gmrp · 11-25-2018, 04:05 PM

What Ken said, and given the context all of them appeared in, combined with the commentary by a Tumblr user who claims to have an inside connection, I’m expecting a portrayal that’s not faithful at all to past eras (in most cases, anyway) of the two allies that are Leatherhead and Halfcourt.

*Leo656* · 11-25-2018, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Autbot_Benz

If you ever wanted to see Next Mutation as an animated series this is the show for you 🤮

"Rise" would need a stepladder to reach the heights of Next Mutation.

Both junk, but TNM at least pretends to respect its source material. You could plug any "wacky/goofy" characters into "Rise" and it would be the exact same show. TMNT in name only.

*TigerClaw* · 11-25-2018, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Kenwatanabesclone

Bebop, Rocksteady, Halfcourt, Leatherhead.

So we got a cameo for a mutant who only appeared as an action figure from the original series line. That's pretty cool. Hopefully that means the other mutants from the toys will also show up. Given this new shows emphasis on mutants.
https://turtlepedia.fandom.com/wiki/Halfcourt

It won't be long until this guy shows up. King Lionheart
https://turtlepedia.fandom.com/wiki/...action_figure)

This character would be a perfect fit for Rise. a Shakespearean actor turned Mutant Lion.

*LeotheLateBloomer* · 11-26-2018, 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by TigerClaw

So we got a cameo for a mutant who only appeared as an action figure from the original series line. That's pretty cool. Hopefully that means the other mutants from the toys will also show up. Given this new shows emphasis on mutants.
https://turtlepedia.fandom.com/wiki/Halfcourt

It won't be long until this guy shows up. King Lionheart
https://turtlepedia.fandom.com/wiki/...action_figure)

This character would be a perfect fit for Rise. a Shakespearean actor turned Mutant Lion.

Yeah but these characters will likely stay as cameos so try not to request for full appearances.

Yeah, I'm in agreement with everyone else here. Very few interesting episodes and not a lot to keep me fully invested. Has few decent ideas but not holding my breath for any of them to be fully realized.

80gmrp · 11-26-2018, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by LeotheLateBloomer

Yeah but these characters will likely stay as cameos so try not to request for full appearances.

Part of me hopes you’re right: if the 80s-cartoon attire my favorite character is wearing is any indication of his role should he have an actual appearance, I’ll officially give up my hopes for his future in the franchise as a whole.

*Original TMNT Cartoon Fan* · 12-03-2018, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by TigerClaw

It won't be long until this guy shows up. King Lionheart

It would be that series' answer to Old Hob and Tigerclaw.

Konchadunga · 12-06-2018, 11:58 PM

I think Leo656 is blowing it a bit out of proportion by calling this TMNT in name only, but it could certainly try a bit harder to be faithful to the source material, and there are a few places in which it actually seems to be trying not to be faithful. Most notably with Splinter; if you thought his behavior was occasionally questionable in last series, prepare to hate this new version of him with a passion. Every time Splinter has appeared in this series, he's been played for laughs; less out of wit and more because he's weird and maybe senile. The only thing keeping it from being worse is he doesn't appear too often.

The rest of the characters are tolerable but shallow. All of the turtles seem to have a similar personality now, although for once in bad TMNT characterization history, that similar personality isn't just Fred Wolf Michelangelo. Sometimes April has a different sort of personality to work as a foil, but other times she has the same personality as the turtles.

All of the villains are original to this series so far, and while they can be fun, they're almost all small-timers, so it feels like nothing big is ever really at stake. As of Bug Busters, we've finally gotten a sign that something deeper is going on; for example, we get an explanation for mutagen existing. But next episode it's back to being episodic.

TMNT has been episodic many times before without issue. Even the Mirage series had one-off stories. But the difference is that before, the series had a stronger identity to latch onto and stick with, and that's missing here, for the reasons noted above. There are heroes (or at least anti-heroes) fighting villains, and while some great action and even great jokes happen in the process, how little the show makes you care about the heroes and villains in question leaves it underwhelming. The show is certainly watchable, but there isn't a big reason to watch it over other action-comedy shows.

BYWInsaniac · 12-08-2018, 08:49 PM

Rise hasn't changed what kind of show it's trying to be, so if you generally weren't feeling that direction then it's unlikely that any of the new episodes will change your mind.

But I think the recent episodes are much stronger than the earlier ones, so if you're open and interested in checking out some newer episodes I think "The Gumbus," "Bug Busters (pt 1&2)," and "Purple Jacket" are solid choices.

-JJ

shredder orokusaki · 12-09-2018, 01:36 PM

Very bad. It is only some stupid mutants mostly and this Stockman and Purple dragons are not threat since they are just kids and so i cant use them to work for me!

*IndigoErth* · 12-09-2018, 03:30 PM

April is a kid (again), Baxter is a kid, the Purple Dragons are kids... I almost wish and would laugh pretty good if Shredder is a kid. Bahahaha.

*Powder* · 12-09-2018, 03:41 PM

I absolutely love it but I'm not going to drive myself mad trying to convince anyone biased against it that it's worth their time.

Take it as it's own thing, a comedy driven, parody-lite, balls to the walls re-imagining trying to subvert your expectations, and you might like it. Go into it angry that it isn't doing X, Y, or Z, and you'll hate it, I guess.

The Great Saiyaman · 12-09-2018, 04:57 PM

The main thing that Rise has going against itself is that it replaces a version of the TMNT which was well thought out and brought together the best parts of previous versions.

- The Utrom council and Bishop from the 2003 series
- Alopex from the IDW series
- The Triceratons and Fugitoid from the Mirage series. (To be honest, I wasn't quite sure if I was going to dig those "lost in space" episodes but they turned out to be awesome.)
- The Punk frogs
- Making references to the movies in episodes like "Requiem"
- Referencing the "Me, myself and I" Mirage special which sees the introduction of Casey Jones

And took a fresh look at well established characters and made them different
- April is a teenager
- Casey Jones is a teenager and different from other incarnations, Casey and April do not become a couple.
- Master Splinter isn't a small stature seventies-something Yoda-kind of character but a 6 feet tall, very fit guy in his forties.
- The series was one continuous story, you can't watch episodes without them giving big spoilers to what happened before.
- Each turtle has a very distinct look. That was by far the best thing they did to the Turtles themselves and the idea that they all look different is also used in the Rise series.

So having to make a follow up to a show which went the distance as far as it did, would be like being on the Bill with a band like Queen, no way to follow it. So they didn't, they went at it with another POV.

But it IS telling that they've changed Michelangelo the least, no need to improve on perfection.

When watching Rise, I'm still waiting to hear him go "Booyakasha!"

11-25-2018, 11:34 AM	#1
hankthetank Random Punk Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 15	Is the show worth watching I believe i saw the first 2 or 3 episodes and wasn't impressed I loved the vast majority of the other 3 main series and the first 2 Live Action movies. My question is has the show gotten better since the first few episodes or is it pretty much the same?

11-25-2018, 12:57 PM	#5
80gmrp Foot Soldier Join Date: Aug 2018 Posts: 236	Personally, I watched the entirety of three epsiodes: "Mystic Mayhem", "Down With The Sickness", and "Repo Mantis". Having seen all of them, while I can tolerate Repo in moderation, overall, I'd have to agree with the majority here that it's just more of the same. The only possible exception springing to mind being the Bug Busters episode (which I haven't bothered watching all of) for its cameos of older characters, implying they will appear later, though even then, I'm not holding my breath that it will be good. __________________

11-25-2018, 04:00 PM	#8
Autbot_Benz Hellblazer Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Ventura California Posts: 8,284	If you ever wanted to see Next Mutation as an animated series this is the show for you 🤮 __________________ I respect what FW cartoon did for the turtles franchise but it is the most overrated and hard to watch of the 3 turtles cartoons.

12-06-2018, 11:58 PM	#15
Konchadunga Stone Warrior Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Southern California Posts: 912	I think Leo656 is blowing it a bit out of proportion by calling this TMNT in name only, but it could certainly try a bit harder to be faithful to the source material, and there are a few places in which it actually seems to be trying not to be faithful. Most notably with Splinter; if you thought his behavior was occasionally questionable in last series, prepare to hate this new version of him with a passion. Every time Splinter has appeared in this series, he's been played for laughs; less out of wit and more because he's weird and maybe senile. The only thing keeping it from being worse is he doesn't appear too often. The rest of the characters are tolerable but shallow. All of the turtles seem to have a similar personality now, although for once in bad TMNT characterization history, that similar personality isn't just Fred Wolf Michelangelo. Sometimes April has a different sort of personality to work as a foil, but other times she has the same personality as the turtles. All of the villains are original to this series so far, and while they can be fun, they're almost all small-timers, so it feels like nothing big is ever really at stake. As of Bug Busters, we've finally gotten a sign that something deeper is going on; for example, we get an explanation for mutagen existing. But next episode it's back to being episodic. TMNT has been episodic many times before without issue. Even the Mirage series had one-off stories. But the difference is that before, the series had a stronger identity to latch onto and stick with, and that's missing here, for the reasons noted above. There are heroes (or at least anti-heroes) fighting villains, and while some great action and even great jokes happen in the process, how little the show makes you care about the heroes and villains in question leaves it underwhelming. The show is certainly watchable, but there isn't a big reason to watch it over other action-comedy shows. __________________

12-08-2018, 08:49 PM	#16
BYWInsaniac Thug Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Manhattan Beach, CA Posts: 84	Re: Rise hasn't changed what kind of show it's trying to be, so if you generally weren't feeling that direction then it's unlikely that any of the new episodes will change your mind. But I think the recent episodes are much stronger than the earlier ones, so if you're open and interested in checking out some newer episodes I think "The Gumbus," "Bug Busters (pt 1&2)," and "Purple Jacket" are solid choices. -JJ

11-25-2018, 11:58 AM	#2
Xav Foot Elite Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 2,977	It's pretty much the same.

11-25-2018, 12:07 PM	#3
IndigoErth Team Blue Boy Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: U.S., East Coast Posts: 15,238	Yeah, with the exception of last weekend's arc-related "Bug Busters" (that comparably is one of the rare gems within this series so far), the majority of the episodes are about the same as those you've seen.

11-25-2018, 12:18 PM	#4
~~Kenwatanabesclone~~ Banned Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: In a submarine chasing giant water lizards Posts: 139	Yes! Very worth it!

11-25-2018, 04:05 PM	#9
80gmrp Foot Soldier Join Date: Aug 2018 Posts: 236	What Ken said, and given the context all of them appeared in, combined with the commentary by a Tumblr user who claims to have an inside connection, I’m expecting a portrayal that’s not faithful at all to past eras (in most cases, anyway) of the two allies that are Leatherhead and Halfcourt.

12-09-2018, 01:36 PM	#17
shredder orokusaki Mad Scientist Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Japan Posts: 1,406	Very bad. It is only some stupid mutants mostly and this Stockman and Purple dragons are not threat since they are just kids and so i cant use them to work for me! __________________ I AM THE SHREDDER!!!!!

12-09-2018, 03:30 PM	#18
IndigoErth Team Blue Boy Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: U.S., East Coast Posts: 15,238	April is a kid (again), Baxter is a kid, the Purple Dragons are kids... I almost wish and would laugh pretty good if Shredder is a kid. Bahahaha.

12-09-2018, 03:41 PM	#19
Powder So tired of this place Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Shell Ri La Posts: 26,809	I absolutely love it but I'm not going to drive myself mad trying to convince anyone biased against it that it's worth their time. Take it as it's own thing, a comedy driven, parody-lite, balls to the walls re-imagining trying to subvert your expectations, and you might like it. Go into it angry that it isn't doing X, Y, or Z, and you'll hate it, I guess. __________________ I'm convinced that none of you have ever experienced joy

12-09-2018, 04:57 PM	#20
The Great Saiyaman Stone Warrior Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 905	The main thing that Rise has going against itself is that it replaces a version of the TMNT which was well thought out and brought together the best parts of previous versions. - The Utrom council and Bishop from the 2003 series - Alopex from the IDW series - The Triceratons and Fugitoid from the Mirage series. (To be honest, I wasn't quite sure if I was going to dig those "lost in space" episodes but they turned out to be awesome.) - The Punk frogs - Making references to the movies in episodes like "Requiem" - Referencing the "Me, myself and I" Mirage special which sees the introduction of Casey Jones And took a fresh look at well established characters and made them different - April is a teenager - Casey Jones is a teenager and different from other incarnations, Casey and April do not become a couple. - Master Splinter isn't a small stature seventies-something Yoda-kind of character but a 6 feet tall, very fit guy in his forties. - The series was one continuous story, you can't watch episodes without them giving big spoilers to what happened before. - Each turtle has a very distinct look. That was by far the best thing they did to the Turtles themselves and the idea that they all look different is also used in the Rise series. So having to make a follow up to a show which went the distance as far as it did, would be like being on the Bill with a band like Queen, no way to follow it. So they didn't, they went at it with another POV. But it IS telling that they've changed Michelangelo the least, no need to improve on perfection. When watching Rise, I'm still waiting to hear him go "Booyakasha!" __________________ "I reject your reality and substitute my own." - Adam Savage, "Mythbusters"