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Old 03-18-2019, 04:11 PM   #1
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Why is cultural appropriation okay during St. Patrick's Day?

Why is not okay to wear a poncho and sombrero for Cinco de Mayo, or other culture costumes on Halloween, but okay to dress green and like a leprechaun for St. Patrick's Day when one's not Irish?


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Old 03-18-2019, 04:14 PM   #2
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Old 03-18-2019, 04:24 PM   #3
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Because "Cultural Appropriation" is some made-up liberal nonsense, and people can dress and act in whatever manner makes them happy on any day of the year that they choose, as long as they're not causing physical harm to anyone.

People have been adopting clothing and hairstyles from other cultures for thousands of years, both for fun and for simple freedom of expression. No problem.

We raise a generation to believe everyone is unique and special (and delicate), and suddenly everyone needs to stay in their lane. Bite my ass.

As a Mick, I personally don't care if anyone wants to paint themselves green, dance with a shillelagh, put buckles on their hat and drink until they puke. Have fun and don't hurt yaself, that's all I ask.
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Old 03-18-2019, 05:06 PM   #4
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I've seen quite a bit of blog pieces and articles by Irish people that isn't too keen on how Americans portray and celebrate St. Patrick's Day, it's fairly recent that the holiday is celebrated in similar fashion in Ireland like in USA, as it used to be a more subdued holiday with going to church and spending time with family (and pubs was closed).

But, good for those 1/16th Irish folks having an excuse to get completely **** faced on green beer while wearing a ginger wig

I'm kinda glad Americans with Norwegian heritage don't get too crazy like that, they just seem to consume a unhealthy amount of lye-fish, moreso then what we do in Norway. Cause the stuff is nasty
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Old 03-18-2019, 05:22 PM   #5
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Preacher put it best. As Billy Bitcher said to Wee Hughey, "St. Patrick's Day has nothing to do with being Irish; it has everything to do with being American."

Are the stereotypes fair? I'm not sure. In my personal experience, do most (if not all) Irish folks drink too much, have a hair-trigger temper, and throw down at the drop of a hat? Based on my friends and family, Abso-f*cking-lutely, and I'd be lying if I claimed otherwise. Have I met "everyone" with a drop of Irish blood in them? Nope! But most of the ones I've met definitely play to type. So frankly, people can say and do whatever they want and I'm not gonna argue with 'em.

People go way overboard with it but whatever. Most "holidays" aren't real, or at least, are far removed from whatever their original intent was anyway. People have very few reasons to celebrate anything anymore, so whatever gets 'em through another week, says I.

Plus Guinness should always be in fashion or you just ain't living right.
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Old 03-18-2019, 05:45 PM   #6
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Beer is gross. If it isn't sake or mead, it needs to be fruity as **** or over 30% alcohol content.

The only beer I've found remotely palatable was a red beer a buddy brewed himself.
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Old 03-18-2019, 05:56 PM   #7
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Anybody who has to reduce their alcohol to a state of "liquid candy" shouldn't be drinking in the first place.

Alcohol tastes like sh*t because that's nature's way of making sure you don't overdo it. Ever hang out with someone who's a f*cking Schnapps drinker? Christ almighty, those people are goddamn DANGEROUS. "Whoooo, this stuff is sooo good, I feel GREAT!" Next thing you know they're down two whole bottles and fistfighting the whole bar.

After X number of beers (or whiskeys), you start tasting battery acid and that's your cue to call it a night. That's Nature's Design. We shouldn't be trying to "outsmart" it with fruit flavorings and peppermint.

I'm the only one in a whole family of Irish drunks who can slam down 12 beers and then not drink again for a month, or two, or six, depending. The biggest difference I've noticed between me and the ones who can't stop, is I don't try and make it a "fun and delicious" experience. Those "mixed drinks" enthusiasts, though... hooo boy.

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Old 03-18-2019, 06:07 PM   #8
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Anybody who has to reduce their alcohol to a state of "liquid candy" shouldn't be drinking in the first place.

Alcohol tastes like sh*t because that's nature's way of making sure you don't overdo it. Ever hang out with someone who's a f*cking Schnapps drinker? Christ almighty, those people are goddamn DANGEROUS. "Whoooo, this stuff is sooo good, I feel GREAT!" Next thing you know they're down two whole bottles and fistfighting the whole bar.

After X number of beers (or whiskeys), you start tasting battery acid and that's your cue to call it a night. That's Nature's Design. We shouldn't be trying to "outsmart" it with fruit flavorings and peppermint.

I'm the only one in a whole family of Irish drunks who can slam down 12 beers and then not drink again for a month, or two, or six, depending. The biggest difference I've noticed between me and the ones who can't stop, is I don't try and make it a "fun and delicious" experience. Those "mixed drinks" enthusiasts, though... hooo boy.

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Old 03-18-2019, 06:14 PM   #9
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I rarely drink and I don't really like alcohol except for a few things and even then it's not something I'd seek out just to drink it. But I still can hold my liquor, much better then some of my friends that party each weekend like they're still 14 and it's the end of the world. (It's not a party until someone steals a car, or all the door knobs are missing in the house).

But when it comes to beer, I'll rather down a bottle of Fireball then have one can of beer. I don't get hangovers anyway so might as well get the better stuff, taste and %.
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Old 03-19-2019, 04:10 AM   #10
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I only drink beer as far as alcohol is concerned. I've always thin, and thus my alcohol tolerance isn't very high. Back in my early 20s, 3 beers would get me drunk. Ever since I put on some weight and stopped being scrawny to just being a bit thin, my tolerance seems to have increased, and a few beers no longer get me drunk and I just feel bloated/full after drinking 2-3 beers.

It's fine to enjoy a beer or two occasionally since it's rather weak compared to wine and spirits. A lot of people can easily drink a couple of beers as if it was just juice. Also, apparently it was safer to drink beer than water back in the Middle Ages lmao

Anyway, isn't this thread kind of political? Political threads aren't allowed anymore.
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Old 03-19-2019, 04:27 AM   #11
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Until the usual suspects derails it, I think threads like this might be more of a grey zone. This isn't a political discussion as in left wing vs right wing or bickering about the two right wing parties in the US.

Cultural appropriation in of itself is a neutral term
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Old 03-19-2019, 05:29 AM   #12
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Old 03-19-2019, 07:14 AM   #13
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There's literal books written about this subject. There's so little controversy over this is doesn't even need to be discussed.

You're standing at a party asking whether or not this is offensive with a bunch of Irish people looking at you wondering why you've gotta kill the buzz.

Source: Am Irish American. Like. . . super Irish American. And I'm good friends with the half backs who love the day, too. So I don't know what assholes you're talking to, but they need to grab a pint and loosen up.
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Why is not okay to wear a poncho and sombrero for Cinco de Mayo, or other culture costumes on Halloween, but okay to dress green and like a leprechaun for St. Patrick's Day when one's not Irish?
Don't you worry, "they" will get around to that soon enough, too.
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When I was a kid I dressed up as a pirate and as a cowboy a couple of times on Carnaval. Is that still ok?
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I don't have the red hair, and I'm more Scottish than Irish, but who even really gives a crap about St. Patrick's Day anyway?

Beer sucks. Fireball is NASTY, but I hate that red-hot cinnamon candy taste.

Been meaning to try schnapps, though...

I guess Leo and I can't drink together, because I'm all about the sorority sweet drinks. Me and CandyKappa will be good bar buddies, though. On the rare occasions that we drink.

Myself, if I have a shot of rum or whiskey, it knocks me out pretty quickly. Which means any creativity I planned to exercise that evening is shot (pardon the pun).
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Do the Irish dress like leprechauns and primarily wear green? I didn't know that was a cultural thing for them.

Pretty sure no culture owns a color (which I recently read was supposedly originally blue, not green) and dressing as mythological beings isn't really much of an issue for anyone anywhere so long as it isn't a being that's worshiped or revered.

Decide to dress up in a old-time/traditional attire, etc. and basically anything that may make you look foolish doing it if not Irish (and likewise for any other culture)... now you're appropriating.

But pretty sure little is being done by most people on St. Patrick's Day that falls into that category. (All I bothered with was wearing a TMNT shirt because green.)

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Do the Irish dress like leprechauns and primarily wear green? I didn't know that was a cultural thing for them.

Pretty sure no culture owns a color (which I recently read was supposedly originally blue, not green) and dressing as mythological beings isn't really much of an issue for anyone anywhere so long as it isn't a being that's worshiped or revered.

Decide to dress up in a old-time/traditional attire, etc. and basically anything that may make you look foolish doing it if not Irish (and likewise for any other culture)... now you're appropriating.

But pretty sure little is being done by most people on St. Patrick's Day that falls into that category. (All I bothered with was wearing a TMNT shirt because green.)
It's seems to be more of a American thing, or Americans with Irish descent. It's fairly recent in Ireland that celebrating St. Patrick's Day as a dress in green and drink 'til you vomit type of event, which seems to be "culturally appropriated" from USA to appease tourists

At least that's the impression I get from googling what people in Ireland think of St. Patrick's Day and how it's celebrated.

http://entangled.com/st-patricks-day...united-states/

The closest I've been in association with the holiday was a coworker wore a green top hat at work with a four leaf clover pinned to it, and he had a pot of gold (spray painted rocks), and every customer that bought a scratch-off lottery ticket got a piece of gold.

Edit. Apparently, the first time me and my partner was in Manchester, we came upon a St. Paddy parade/event and I got a lot of attention since I'm a ginger, but I have no recollection of this.
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