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but never play off.
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You know, yup going on ignore list.
Anyway on topic. It doesn't bother me. I don't know how many of you watch Red Dwarf but it's the same thing that happened to them. They chose a word they didn't realize meant something gross and disgusting. They made it have a new meaning for their show. When it was pointed out to them they just said, that isn't what it means here so no we wont change it. We are giving it a new meaning and power. I assume that is what happened here. Words only mean what you will let them mean. |
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Can I ask what that word was?
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^of course Booyakasha, ur playing dumb again, pally...
but could it be some other meanings? good ones?
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or...not...
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Never would have known....
As for Booyakasha, it has so many assumed meanings, I'm not sure if it's a huge deal....
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Things only become big deals when people get offended. If people would just realize the context and the intent behind things we could avoid some of these kind of things. But because people can't we end up with things like this.
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Boo-yah, has been around as an expression for decades. It was not attached to anything. If people in Jamaica have used it in the past for some sort of slang, so be it, but it clearly predates that and is not nefarious in origin. You seem pretty certain that Booyakasha was used by Ali G as some sort of super subverse joke that he didn't "understand" it's meaning. Yes this is true. He didn't understand it's meaning, because it has no meaning. It's jibberish. It would work as subverse humor if he was saying a slang that was derogatory to himself. However there is no evidence to suggest this other than the occasional mention that someone heard somewhere that it meant "death to the white man". But if this were true, it would be well documented and unfortunately it's not. I get that Ali G was stupid and that would be part of his character, but there's nothing anywhere that seems to indicate that booyakasha was used in this way. The expression BOOYAKA, was an expression used for a gun shot and while this may have been adopted by Jamaicans at some point, it predates them by hundreds of years. It was a phrase used in Africa for gun shot, but actually even predates guns where it used to describe a loud bang. Early European explorers documented it. It is not racist in any manner. Ultimately, the whole "it's a Jamaican slang phrase" is an urban myth. Ali G used the word because it was a popular expression of black UK youth in the late 90's meant as celebratory cry. No different than Booyah before it. It was just added to and expanded. It has since been added to the urban lexicon as popularized by Ali G as an expression of celebration, which traces right back to it's origin. |
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i still think when the turtles say Booyakasha, they sound like they r frm a totally different universe...
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Whatever the past uses or possible meanings, its an example of Bricolage.
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Due to the internet being as young as it is, something like this, I feel, would not be well documented. Ali G first became popular in the UK, in the year 2000, but also appeared on screens afew years before this. That's 12 years of ill-informed people passing around this word, thinking it to mean "nothing". Truth is not a democracy. So for me, the most popular understanding of the word, as claimed by the internet, holds very little truth in my mind, as most of these explanations have been written since the popularization of Ali G. Quote:
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You say this was a celebratory cry for black youth in the UK before Ali G, but the meaning 'death to the white man' could be very appropriate for this demographic, as a celebratory cry. It would also support even more, the usage by Ali G, in the context of ignorance... Old Hob: I appreciate that words take on new meanings over time, but the Red Dwarf, Smeg analogy, seems slightly different to this... The meaning in Red Dwarf was one of a derogatory nature, which if they used it, meaning what it originally meant, it would still apply. Personally, I feel that the producers of the show, were perhaps seeing what they could get away with on the BBC. Something that many comedians and artists are always pushing to do, to get away with something that society deems inappropriate. Which leads me back to Sacha Baron Cohen, who probably laughed his ass off, at the ignorant white youth of the UK, going around shouting "booyakasha". I'd like to remind everybody once again, that Ali G was a character which used racial terms used in black society, which was clearly stupid for him to use, as he wasn't black. That was the whole joke, and the meaning behind this character. To show that people use words in ignorance or naivety, and not really understanding what they actually meant. But ironically this is what has ended up happening with the phrase "booyakasha". To use words that this character used in the same way that he did, and believing that they hold no significance, or to rely on the definition that Ali G thought they meant, seems crazy to me. Last edited by ScratchTheHotSpot; 07-17-2012 at 04:51 AM. |
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The idea that "booyakasha" means "death to the white man" is just a rumor cooked up by racists, just like the idea that "Wu Tang" means "death to the white man". It's a myth. Not true. It may have been used by some people in a similar context, but that doesn't change the fact that it doesn't mean what you think it means. It means "boom". That's it. It's onomatopoeia, and it is not inherently aimed toward any group of people. "Booyakasha" means "death to the white man" as much as "boom" means "death to the gay man". The fact that there's a terrible song that goes "Boom bye bye Inna batty bwoy head" doesn't mean that the word "boom" is by itself homophobic. Similarly, there is nothing in the word "booyakasha" to suggest any racist message.
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yea its not a big deal, lots word has an opposite meaning in slang too. like "sick".
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So an onomatopoeia that relates to shooting off guns in celebration, is appropriate for TMNT? The culture that this word originates from is way-off what TMNT is all about.
Regardless of it's meaning, the fact there have been numerous debates about this word on internet forums since the popularization of Ali G, should surely indicate that this is a bad choice, for a catch phrase, on a childrens TV show. I understand that such a shocking suggestion, as the one I made, can warrant some form of denial, but I don't think this issue should be swept under the rug as some of you wish it to. The suggestion that it now means the same as what Ali G meant it, is pretty naive in my opinion. A catch phrase used by a character that was based on ignorance to black culture, suggests to me, that this is the type of ignorance and personality that the writers wish Michelangelo, and the other TMNT to have. |
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