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Old 04-17-2017, 05:17 AM   #1
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Did you like the Nick show using old characters?

I don't mean as in using the standard tmnt characters from mirage like Leatherhead, the Rat King, Casey Jones and so on or any of the main cast.

I'm talking about the show using version exclusive characters in their show such as Bebop and Rocksteady, Bishop, Slash, Metalhead, the Neutrinos, Razhar, Tokka and so on.

Did you like the Nick show doing this and Did it make the show better or make it lose its unique identity?

Lastly, Would you like to see the next tmnt show take this approach?

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Old 04-17-2017, 05:31 AM   #2
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I have very mixed opinions about this. While it is cool to see some semi obscure characters return into light and not fade off into obscurity, they haven't always done this right. An example of this would be the Neutrinos, sure they are a different take on the originals but they just are not to memorable and I kid you not but I thought they were just some army warriors and some Rock Soldier minions of General Traag. I also thought another theory that the Rock designs were just robotic suits and the real alien teenagers from the 80's who we all know and love but sadly we will never know since at this point it seems unlikely we will ever see them again, considering the fact that the show has not been renewed for a sixth season.

Another thing I am annoyed with is Mona Lisa. I find her annoyingly overrated, especially with the fan girls. I don't hate her but I find it annoying how she was only brought into the show because of fan service and she was very forced into the plot and her episodes were rushed (I still think The Evil of Dregg is the was one of the lowest of the 2012 series to date).

Honestly though, there are still many great 2012 reintroductions like Bebop, Rocksteady, Hun, Tatsu, Renet, Mondo Gecko, Slash, Wingnut, Screwloose, Armaggon, Rahzar, Triceratons, Scumbug, Antrax and Mutagen Man!
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Old 04-17-2017, 09:07 AM   #3
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Depends on what the characters were and as far as I'm concerned they came in four varieties on a spectrum:
  1. Pretty much the same as always: Splinter, Shredder, Turtles etc.
  2. Relatively minor difference but recognisable: Rat King, Casey, Hun, Karai (Before snake powers)
  3. Really different but still in the realm of recognisable: Bishop, Bebop, Rocksteady, Rahzar, April, Karai (After snake powers)
  4. Why the hell not just make a new character to begin with?: Tokka, Neutrinos, Hothead, Wyrm.

That last really confused me, what's the point? The show clearly had no problem creating new characters, so why even bother? In Hothead's case he might as well even be Drako given how little he has to do with the original Hothead, his backstory and role even matches Drako a lot better than Hothead's.

Above that, it's pretty much a mixed bag, I don't like Karai's snake powers but I'm fine with the Rat King being a blind psychic and I have rather mixed feelings about Bishop basically being an amalgam of Bishop and Mortu. Hard to give a concrete opinion on such a broad subject.
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Old 04-17-2017, 10:49 AM   #4
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While overall it was cool seeing old/obscure characters get some modern-day representation, they didn't really pull them off good. A lot of them were in-name-only, lame, or just decent. They could've put more thought into them, and made them better.
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Old 04-17-2017, 11:05 AM   #5
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I don't care, really, but it does strike me as odd that what characters that would otherwise seem tailor-made for the show with their existing backstories mostly intact like Wingnut and Screwloose (refugees from a planet besieged by Krang) get completely changed (now they're... comic book characters given magical life?).
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Old 04-17-2017, 11:07 AM   #6
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I like them using Karai, Leatherhead, Rat King, Slash, Rahzar, Rocksteady and Bebop.

It did feel that there were too many characters in the show and it's because fans kept asking Ciro and Brandon to add these old characters.

Mona Lisa was one of these characters that fans were asking for and Ciro and Brandon listened to them but it end up a lot of people didn't like her and didn't like her relationship with Raph.

So if Brandon and Ciro didn't listen to fans then we wouldn't have seen these extra characters.
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Old 04-17-2017, 11:10 AM   #7
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I like them using Karai, Leatherhead, Rat King, Slash, Rahzar, Rocksteady and Bebop.

It did feel that there were too many characters in the show and it's because fans kept asking Ciro and Brandon to add these old characters.
Bebop and Rocksteady were always going to be there. It was pretty alarming to me the number of people on this board that were flabbergasted when they were announced.
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Old 04-17-2017, 11:26 AM   #8
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I generally like most of the old characters reimagined, whether they are similar to the originals or completely different. I like Nick Bebop, Rocksteady, Razhar, Tokka, Mona Lisa, Mondo Gecko, Muckman, Lord Dregg, Wingnut, Screwloose, Metalhead, Slash and Pigeon Pete.

The only types of characters I didn't like were the ones that had been firmly established in previous versions and then were nothing like the originals in the Nick show. These include Hun, Bishop and the worst offenders, the Neutrinos.

While characters like Razhar, Tokka, Slash and Pigeon Pete were also guilty of not being faithful to the originals, they weren't firmly established in the originals so it felt more natural for Nick to use them, hence why I like their reimaginings.

Characters like the Neutrinos on the other hand were very well established in their show and they left an Impression on the tmnt fandom, who would always associate the name with the characters portrayed in the FW toon. Using that name in the Nick toon for something completely unrelated felt very off, as did calling Nicks version of Mortu "Bishop" and just placing the Hun label on Bruce Lee.
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Old 04-17-2017, 11:06 AM   #9
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I voted 'no' because of how the characters were used. Old character in name only was much more common than using old characters. Its a main reason I prefer IDW to the Nicktoon. Would I want to see these characters again beyond in name only? Yes,definitely!
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Old 04-17-2017, 11:53 AM   #10
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I voted 'no' because of how the characters were used. Old character in name only was much more common than using old characters. Its a main reason I prefer IDW to the Nicktoon. Would I want to see these characters again beyond in name only? Yes,definitely!
You claim Nick's characters are in "name only." Yet the vast majority of IDW used old characters are in "name only" as well. I don't understand your double standards.

In IDW:

- Krang is now an actual Utrom, instead of a disembodied brain from Dimension X. Now he's trying to rebuild his Utrom.

- Bebop/Rocksteady have superhuman strength and regeneration powers

- Rat King is an immortal God part of the Pantheon, and IDW's design for him looks vastly different than all previous Rat Kings

- Hun is now Casey's father

- Karai is Shredder's great+ granddaughter

- Slash is now a huge hulking character and ally of the Turtles rather than the maniac he was known for prior to 2011

- Fugitoid is a Neutrino

- The Triceratons were now mutated on Earth, instead of a natural born alien race

- Mutagen Man, Man Ray, Mondo Gecko, etc. now have new/different origins than what they're initially known for

And the biggest of all:

- The Turtles are now reincarnated humans from Feudal Japan!!!!!

etc.

I could go on and on. But I don't understand these bizarre double standards when all the IDW incarnations of the characters are also new or updated. You can say the "name only" thing here as well, which puts into perspective how ridiculous this argument is. Of course everyone is going to update characters.
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Old 04-17-2017, 12:47 PM   #11
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You claim Nick's characters are in "name only." Yet the vast majority of IDW used old characters are in "name only" as well. I don't understand your double standards.

In IDW:

- Krang is now an actual Utrom, instead of a disembodied brain from Dimension X. Now he's trying to rebuild his Utrom.

- Bebop/Rocksteady have superhuman strength and regeneration powers

- Rat King is an immortal God part of the Pantheon, and IDW's design for him looks vastly different than all previous Rat Kings

- Hun is now Casey's father

- Karai is Shredder's great+ granddaughter

- Slash is now a huge hulking character and ally of the Turtles rather than the maniac he was known for prior to 2011

- Fugitoid is a Neutrino

- The Triceratons were now mutated on Earth, instead of a natural born alien race

- Mutagen Man, Man Ray, Mondo Gecko, etc. now have new/different origins than what they're initially known for

And the biggest of all:

- The Turtles are now reincarnated humans from Feudal Japan!!!!!

etc.

I could go on and on. But I don't understand these bizarre double standards when all the IDW incarnations of the characters are also new or updated. You can say the "name only" thing here as well, which puts into perspective how ridiculous this argument is. Of course everyone is going to update characters.
Because Krang, Bebop, Rocksteady, Slash, Mutagen Man, Mondo and Ray were all garbage and in desperate need of reinvention.

Alright, alright... Let's take this seriously and go over them one by one:
  • Krang: Easy to explain, the disembodied brain origin just creates problems when the actual Utroms also run around. It's just a no-brainer of a compromise.
  • Bebop/Rocksteady: The IDW Bebop and Rocksteady are pretty much the revisionist lie a lot of people seem to have told themselves, nobody wants Bebop and Rocksteady as they were in the show because that's not what people want to remember. Besides, it's not like it would have worked with the tone anyway.
  • Rat King: Isn't it just building on the Pantheon stuff from Mirage? From what I understand the original version of that concept never really went anywhere, so why not expand on it.
  • Hun: Hun being Casey's father doesn't change his personality or position, it just changes the nature of his relationship with Casey. And it's arguable the "you killed my father" narrative is a little too much of an old cliché.
  • Karai: Pretty minor change from the 4Kids show.
  • Slash: Did anyone want the "Deviantart Sonic fandom" school's version of a TMNT character with the added quirk being an obsession with palm trees? I don't think so.
  • Fugitoid: Still a humanoid alien trapped in a robotic service robot, he's effectively the same character. Why neutrino specifically though? I guess because a seemingly human scientist on alien world seems kind of strange.
  • Triceratons: A similar reason to the Fugitoid and Krang I guess. It pretty much just explains why they look like an extinct earth animals rather than leave it a mystery.
  • Mutagen Man: Technically, it is the origin Peter Laird intended for the character, and the old origin relies on the mutagen just doing whatever the plot calls for regardless of established facts.
  • Man Ray: ... Man Ray sucked... He had no personality outside of "Don't throw stuff into the ocean!" and his origin was just that he used to be a guy working at an aquarium before being hit with mutagen.
  • Mondo: Which origin are you talking about? The one where he was a gecko bought alongside the Turtles and raised by a random criminal, or the one where he was a teenager playing a guitar in the sewer? His origin wasn't even consistant in the first place.
  • The Turtles: ... Alright, that's actually kind of a big and somewhat important change since it deviates from every other version, but it doesn't really change their personalities or what they are. The rationale behind it (I think) is that it makes the mystical stuff seem more like it's part of the central theme from the start, where as in the other versions it just seemed to come out of nowhere when the time came for it.
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Some felt forced for nostalgic reasons, like the Neutrinos and Wingnut and Screwloose. But others, like Bebop, Rocksteady, Armaggon and Tatsu, are OK.
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Old 04-17-2017, 03:31 PM   #13
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It depends on the character.
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